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#181    Stellar

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostYamato, on 30 March 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

Well I'm glad it's not just that they're armed on the border which is all you said earlier since they've been armed at the border for 60 years.  

Pakistan has nukes on the border with India.  Oh Ms. Pattmore the cakes are burning and the Hollandaise sauce isn't ready yet.

What do I use to justify my statement that didn't even go far enough stating that SK is 10x more powerful?  Their economy for one.  Factor in the US is sworn to defend the peninsula in the case of attack they're about 10,000 times more powerful.   This is just war mongering propaganda, it's the same dirty nonsense that we got served with under George W. Bush.  I cannot believe that people still fall for this crap anymore.

bull****. 10 000 times more powerful? Uninformed opinion as far as I'm concerned. The NK could still devastate the south in a war, and if its 'ok' for the North to have large armed forces along the border, then by virtue of fairness, it is also ok for the south to do so aswell --- regardless of whether they are stronger or weaker than the north.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostThanato, on 29 March 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

A bullet will kill you whether its fired from a state of the art rifle or an AK47. Artillery will still blow you up and the Navy wont play a big role other than providing air power.

How'd that work out for the Iraqis?

The biggest problem the US and SK forces will have will be choosing targets.  NK's most advanced fighter entered service in 1983 and they only have 35 of them.  Allied forces would achieve air superiority within hours of the start of hostilities.  I would hazard a guess that 80-85% of the NK air force would be wiped out on the ground.  You have to remember that the South and the US know how to fight this war and have been practicing and refining tactics for more than half a century.

So bring the human wave by the hundreds of thousands, and the 1950s era tanks, and blow the bugles - I'll stick with modern weaponry, cruise missiles, and B52 Arc Light strikes any day.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

The South Koreans seem unpurturbed; just making sure there are no misunderstandings what will happen if the North does something stupid.  I've seen no analysis from any respected sort that thinks the North could win such a war.  The only reason the South restrains itself is that it is a democracry and doesn't want the casualties.

A few messages back there was the odd assertion that the States and Britain have never had any concern for others, to which I commented that that went too far, which was responded to by the rather unbelievable assertion that what I said was unsupported by history. I suppose arguing that would be an entirely different thread, one so stupid and irresponsible that I would not participate in it.  I just want it clear that I have no truck with such excessive and outrageous and unsupported assertions.

I have to think that maybe somehow I have misunderstood it all.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 March 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

The South Koreans seem unpurturbed; just making sure there are no misunderstandings what will happen if the North does something stupid.  I've seen no analysis from any respected sort that thinks the North could win such a war.  The only reason the South restrains itself is that it is a democracry and doesn't want the casualties.

A few messages back there was the odd assertion that the States and Britain have never had any concern for others, to which I commented that that went too far, which was responded to by the rather unbelievable assertion that what I said was unsupported by history. I suppose arguing that would be an entirely different thread, one so stupid and irresponsible that I would not participate in it.  I just want it clear that I have no truck with such excessive and outrageous and unsupported assertions.

I have to think that maybe somehow I have misunderstood it all.

Nicaragua (contra wars), Indonesia (both in the 50s and 90s, right up until today in fact), South Africa (during apartheid), Israel (from the Occupation in '67 until today (and Britain even supported the attempted occupation in '56), China (since they became an economic powerhouse), Russia (during the mauling of Chechens around a decade ago), Rwanda (stopped UN intervention that could have prevented a slaughter), Iraq (during the Iraq/Iran war), Saudi Arabia (their entire history), Yemen/Turkmenistan/Oman and other repressive countries from the region, Equatorial Guinea, Iran (the Sha), Egypt (Mubarak and the military), Turkey (their illegal occupation of Cyprus and their disgusting treatment, including indiscriminate bombing of Kurds), Ethiopia, Pakistani military (though not as oppressive as it once was), Philippines, nearly-every-South-American-country at some point, Uganda -

These are only some of the clear cases - there are countless more brutal regimes that are also supported, turned a blind eye to, taken the stance of the 'apologist' for, sometimes financed, and even sometimes actually installed!

You can try to claim that Britain and the U.S. (successive governments) care about anyone but their own elite (they don't even give a **** about the poor and less well off in their own country, the evidence also suggests, never mind those from other countries who cannot help themselves), but the reality - supported by indisputable facts and even their own documented history and record - completely contradicts and exposes the lie.

They even try to mask this with "aid". When in fact that vast majority of "aid" is actually a collection of bribes towards such brutal dictators and regimes as those above!

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 30 March 2013 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:04 PM

Well I know one person who I will not waste my time with.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:41 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Well I know one person who I will not waste my time with.

Such a silly non-answer.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 30 March 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Umm, doesn't telling the World where the 'stealth' bombers are going, kinda defeat the purpose?
Not if the mission was to be visible and send a message.  Guaranteed that NK has no systems to detect anything but the explosions after the bombs were on their targets.  Nuclear capable Stealth bombers will scare the CRAP out of any sane military.  It's a punch in the face totally in the dark until it happens.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

View Postand then, on 30 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Not if the mission was to be visible and send a message.  Guaranteed that NK has no systems to detect anything but the explosions after the bombs were on their targets.  Nuclear capable Stealth bombers will scare the CRAP out of any sane military.  It's a punch in the face totally in the dark until it happens.

What yourself and Frank have failed to realise, A-T, is that the post you have quoted was a joke.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 30 March 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

What yourself and Frank have failed to realise, A-T, is that the post you have quoted was a joke.
It didn't seem like one - but okay...

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:20 PM

Everybody arguing about who's who in military power needs to open these links.

This one settles the debate for the Koreans.
http://www.globalfir...sia-pacific.asp

This one is the home page. It's easy to navigate, you'll see.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:26 PM

Actually this link lets you compare any two countries side by side.
http://www.globalfir...-comparison.asp


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:33 PM

View Postand then, on 30 March 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

It didn't seem like one - but okay...

You don't see the humour of announcing a 'stealth' bomber?


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 30 March 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:



You don't see the humour of announcing a 'stealth' bomber?
Just because you know the invisible man is following you doesn't mean you'll see him. That's what's great about stealth. You can be real cocky.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 30 March 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

Actually this link lets you compare any two countries side by side.
http://www.globalfir...-comparison.asp

I'd like to know more about their algorithm. If you compare them side by side it looks clear that the North by far has a larger military. The fact that the South spends so much more on "defence" than the North could suggest both that the South has more modern equipment and therefore more expensive equipment, and also that the North actually has no need to grow its arsenal (it should be mentioned that soldiers' annual salary would account for a massive difference in billions of spending between the two). And I think that oil must play a deciding factor in the results of who is 'most powerful'.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:40 PM

seen a news report on Russian NEWS channel RT. where a Russian expert said the chances of war are very real and the Russian foreign minister has warned all involved to cool it down.

when the Russians start worrying i think we should also. the expert on the NEWS channel went on to say North Korea as suffered a famine for the last three years and the problem is getting worse so much so it is starting to affect the feeding of the Armed Forces. with that in mind North Korea have kicked up a fuss so the armed forces are focused on a common enemy instead of worrying about when they'll be getting their next bowl of rice. which in the end would turn its attention to overthrowing the leadership. if its true the little nut case might go out with a bang whats he got to lose?

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