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#196    Yamato

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:29 PM

View PostThanato, on 30 March 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:


Actually the Human Rights record in China is a concern for western governments, it's just well. Yes Money, but also China has a giant Military.

Actually the Human Rights record in China is a concern for western governments
"Concern" over China's record didn't amount to war threats.  It amounts to empty rhetoric, if even that.

Actually the Human Rights record in China is a concern for western governments, it's just well. Yes Money, but also China has a giant Military.
Of course!  A powerful military is an extension of that money.   It's why nations with no money get the bullseye on their foreheads.   I don't care how much money a government wastes spending on military they never use, if they don't have economic power underneath it, they're easily defeated in war.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

View PostRafterman, on 30 March 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

How'd that work out for the Iraqis?

The biggest problem the US and SK forces will have will be choosing targets.  NK's most advanced fighter entered service in 1983 and they only have 35 of them.  Allied forces would achieve air superiority within hours of the start of hostilities.  I would hazard a guess that 80-85% of the NK air force would be wiped out on the ground.  You have to remember that the South and the US know how to fight this war and have been practicing and refining tactics for more than half a century.

So bring the human wave by the hundreds of thousands, and the 1950s era tanks, and blow the bugles - I'll stick with modern weaponry, cruise missiles, and B52 Arc Light strikes any day.

Actually very well, they managed to kill Thousands of US Troops in the Insurgency. The Iraqi Army lacked discipline to fight the United States. Iraq is mainly an open flat country which made maneuver warfare easy. North Korean soldiers are indoctrinated at birth to believe their leader to be a god, they are trained hard, potentially harder than any other nation on the planet as their leaders are not concerned with public concerns for safety. In a company on company fight they have all the same basic weapons as American counterparts, Rifles, MG's, and Rockets. What the US and SK have are Body Armour, Night Vision, and advanced GPS systems.

American Armor is more powerful and protected same with SK armor. But that comes with being a more advanced Power. However with the Terrain it's not going to be a game of maneuver warfare. It's going to be a solid line and strategic capture points like it was during the War in the early 50's. Marines and Air Assault will play a large role  in opening up another front.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:06 PM

This is what I think:

Kim isn't going to do anything, as he knows he will be squashed.

Rather, he will wait until the joint US/SK exercises are over, and declare, in BS propaganda, that his armed forces on "high alert" have successfully caused the ceasation of US/SK exercises. Which, of course, would not be true.

His uninformed people(whom have no clue as most have no internet) will cheer him, and he will continue to build-up his military and nuclear capability.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

View PostThanato, on 30 March 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

Actually very well, they managed to kill Thousands of US Troops in the Insurgency. The Iraqi Army lacked discipline to fight the United States. Iraq is mainly an open flat country which made maneuver warfare easy. North Korean soldiers are indoctrinated at birth to believe their leader to be a god, they are trained hard, potentially harder than any other nation on the planet as their leaders are not concerned with public concerns for safety. In a company on company fight they have all the same basic weapons as American counterparts, Rifles, MG's, and Rockets. What the US and SK have are Body Armour, Night Vision, and advanced GPS systems.

American Armor is more powerful and protected same with SK armor. But that comes with being a more advanced Power. However with the Terrain it's not going to be a game of maneuver warfare. It's going to be a solid line and strategic capture points like it was during the War in the early 50's. Marines and Air Assault will play a large role  in opening up another front.

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I wasn't talking about the insurgency.  I was talking about the 1990 Gulf War.  And I recall the same kinds of things being said about the vaunted Iraqi forces

You are correct, it will not be a war of maneuver, but for the North to achieve any kind of "invasion" they'll have to advance and there are only so many ways to get through the mountains in that region and without air superiority, it will be suicide for NK forces.  And while the static war may have worked in the 50s (coincidentally when a lot of NK's military equipment was developed), modern air power and ground based precision guided weaponry will be a game changer.  Not to mention, NK command and control and infrastructure will face a level of attack an destruction not seen in the first war.

And while they may think of haircut as a god and are fanatical, they've also spent their lives being fed a line of utter bull**** about their own military capabilities and the capabilities of the forces aligned against them.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:46 PM

View PostRafterman, on 30 March 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

I wasn't talking about the insurgency.  I was talking about the 1990 Gulf War.  And I recall the same kinds of things being said about the vaunted Iraqi forces

You are correct, it will not be a war of maneuver, but for the North to achieve any kind of "invasion" they'll have to advance and there are only so many ways to get through the mountains in that region and without air superiority, it will be suicide for NK forces.  And while the static war may have worked in the 50s (coincidentally when a lot of NK's military equipment was developed), modern air power and ground based precision guided weaponry will be a game changer.  Not to mention, NK command and control and infrastructure will face a level of attack an destruction not seen in the first war.

And while they may think of haircut as a god and are fanatical, they've also spent their lives being fed a line of utter bull**** about their own military capabilities and the capabilities of the forces aligned against them.

One of teh biggest reasons for the quick defeat of the Iraqi Military in the Gulf War was the fact that the US Military was able to out manouver them and destroy them by driving through open desert.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:13 AM

When you grow up on the shadow of being called the"Dear Leader." its no wonder he's confused.

When he saw China pressured into supporting sanctions, he knew the gig was up.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:47 AM

Firing thousands of shells into North Korean waters into an area deemed unilaterally by the US to be South Korean territory - in what US officials have already declared a violation of international law over 30 years ago - in joint exercises involving 60,000 South Korean troops backed by US Marines, and North Korea is who's "provocative".   I feel sorry for anyone who just accepts the slop they read from their politicians and pundits.  If we weren't itching for a fight we wouldn't be engaged in military exercises in internationally recognized North Korean territory.  This is provocation from the US and South Korea trying to start another war where millions of people will be killed.  There are plenty of islands further south that South Koreans can practice their live fire exercises, but no, they choose to invade North Korean territory to find North Korean islands to fire on.   It's deliberate stupidity or unwitting naivety for our consumers of information to only believe the official story that conveniently ignores facts like this.  Most liberals and neocons from the US who are just pleased as punch with their party politics wouldn't care anyway.   Watch some aloof American pundit viewer respond to me with either disbelief or nonchalance or both.  Here it comes.

North Koreans are uninformed to our political line just like we're uninformed of theirs.  The truth is we're all uninformed, and foolish enough to accept these developments.  

And Barack Obama really needs to give that Nobel Peace Prize back, along with manbearpig Al Gore.

Edited by Yamato, 31 March 2013 - 05:50 AM.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:53 AM

Can anyone name a war the U.S. won.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:00 AM

Anyone who threatens the US with a nuclear strike would spend their time more usefully by trying to find their mis-placed marbles. Let alone someone who only has a handful of nukes in grass hut.

What does he really think will happen...one US sub, which is probably already on station, would end it very quickly. The Japanese and Chinese are going to be a tad miffed at the fall out drifting over their territory depending on which way the wind is blowing of course.

The Chinese are taking it seriously enough though, they've ramped up the power of their over the horizon HF radar on 21mHz.

Edited by Occams Razor, 31 March 2013 - 06:02 AM.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:06 AM

View PostOccams Razor, on 31 March 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

Anyone who threatens the US with a nuclear strike would spend their time more usefully by trying to find their mis-placed marbles. Let alone someone who only has a handful of nukes in grass hut.

What does he really think will happen...one US sub, which is probably already on station, would end it very quickly. The Japanese and Chinese are going to be a tad miffed at the fall out drifting over their territory depending on which way the wind is blowing of course.

The Chinese are taking it seriously enough though, they've ramped up the power of their over the horizon HF radar on 21mHz.

Fear and propaganda. NK has no fangs

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:10 AM

View PostYamato, on 31 March 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Firing thousands of shells into North Korean waters into an area deemed unilaterally by the US to be South Korean territory - in what US officials have already declared a violation of international law over 30 years ago - in joint exercises involving 60,000 South Korean troops backed by US Marines, and North Korea is who's "provocative".   I feel sorry for anyone who just accepts the slop they read from their politicians and pundits.  If we weren't itching for a fight we wouldn't be engaged in military exercises in internationally recognized North Korean territory.  This is provocation from the US and South Korea trying to start another war where millions of people will be killed.  There are plenty of islands further south that South Koreans can practice their live fire exercises, but no, they choose to invade North Korean territory to find North Korean islands to fire on.   It's deliberate stupidity or unwitting naivety for our consumers of information to only believe the official story that conveniently ignores facts like this.  Most liberals and neocons from the US who are just pleased as punch with their party politics wouldn't care anyway.   Watch some aloof American pundit viewer respond to me with either disbelief or nonchalance or both.  Here it comes.

North Koreans are uninformed to our political line just like we're uninformed of theirs.  The truth is we're all uninformed, and foolish enough to accept these developments.  

And Barack Obama really needs to give that Nobel Peace Prize back, along with manbearpig Al Gore.

:rolleyes:

If the US were to threaten to nuke North Korea, the US is the evil one. If North Korea threatens to nuke the US... The US is the evil one because they provoked it. What a joke.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:42 AM

View PostYamato, on 31 March 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Firing thousands of shells into North Korean waters into an area deemed unilaterally by the US to be South Korean territory - in what US officials have already declared a violation of international law over 30 years ago - in joint exercises involving 60,000 South Korean troops backed by US Marines, and North Korea is who's "provocative".   I feel sorry for anyone who just accepts the slop they read from their politicians and pundits.  If we weren't itching for a fight we wouldn't be engaged in military exercises in internationally recognized North Korean territory.  This is provocation from the US and South Korea trying to start another war where millions of people will be killed.  There are plenty of islands further south that South Koreans can practice their live fire exercises, but no, they choose to invade North Korean territory to find North Korean islands to fire on.   It's deliberate stupidity or unwitting naivety for our consumers of information to only believe the official story that conveniently ignores facts like this.  Most liberals and neocons from the US who are just pleased as punch with their party politics wouldn't care anyway.   Watch some aloof American pundit viewer respond to me with either disbelief or nonchalance or both.  Here it comes.

North Koreans are uninformed to our political line just like we're uninformed of theirs.  The truth is we're all uninformed, and foolish enough to accept these developments.  

And Barack Obama really needs to give that Nobel Peace Prize back, along with manbearpig Al Gore.


Pre emptive attacks has done what for the west. We look like goofs for doing such.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:49 AM

View PostStellar, on 31 March 2013 - 06:10 AM, said:

:rolleyes:

If the US were to threaten to nuke North Korea, the US is the evil one. If North Korea threatens to nuke the US... The US is the evil one because they provoked it. What a joke.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:21 AM

Short and sweet....hey Kim...get drunk on Soju and fire a missle at America. Just see what happens next...just saying.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:53 AM

View PostTwilightSilver, on 31 March 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Short and sweet....hey Kim...get drunk on Soju and fire a missle at America. Just see what happens next...just saying.
And that should be the end of this whole issue right there.

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