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#241    pallidin

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:22 PM

View PostHilander, on 02 April 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Looks like the North intends to restart their nuclear reactor maybe to restock their plutonium supply.  Things just keep looking worse and China isn't happy about it.

North Korea to restart nuclear reactor to fuel arms program

Yeah, that is a disturbing development. I think either that or another article said that fully restarting that plant could produce enough plutonium in the spent fuel rods(which would have to be properly extracted) to enable Kim make another plutonium nuke each year the plant is in full operation. And the NK officials have publicy declared their desire to use this plant both for electricity production AND to further build-up their nuclear arsenal.

So yeah, things just keep looking worse, as you said.

Hopefully, the build-up of Chinese forces are to be against NK, not SK/US.
The article I read swings both ways on that aspect, so I don't know what China's intentions are.

Edited by pallidin, 02 April 2013 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

I really wasn't worried in the beginning but now I don't know, this thing seems to be escalating.  I don't think the Chinese can control him like they did his father.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

Hilander, if things go so far out of control that it goes globally nuclear,
I just want to say in advance before we die, I love you.  :wub:

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:19 PM

I think China will target NK if war does break out.
http://edition.cnn.c....html?hpt=hp_t2


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:12 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 02 April 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

I think China will target NK if war does break out.
http://edition.cnn.c....html?hpt=hp_t2

I hope you're right. Though recall that they are an ally(though an unhappy one) with NK.

In furtherance, all 3 relevant countries(China, NK, and the US) have nukes, and the US is wholly committed to protect SK.

In another disturbing development, the US Secretary of State, John Kerry had some harsh words. See here(just updated):

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

Just a thought...did Kim Jung Senior have any other sons? Because if this one (Kim Jung Un) becomes 'inconvenient' enough to China he just might find himself the victim of political assassination and Kim Jung #2 son would be the next "Dear Leader".

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

View PostLilly, on 02 April 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Just a thought...did Kim Jung Senior have any other sons? Because if this one (Kim Jung Un) becomes 'inconvenient' enough to China he just might find himself the victim of political assassination and Kim Jung #2 son would be the next "Dear Leader".

Good question, 'cause he and his cohort generals need to be exited "stage-left"

Else this could get really ugly.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:54 PM

View Postpallidin, on 02 April 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Good question, 'cause he and his cohort generals need to be exited "stage-left"

Else this could get really ugly.
I originally just blew this all off as more whining for food and $ but it seems to be getting out of hand.  Wars have started for some pretty stupid reasons before now.  I don't know what the answer is though.  He cannot be allowed to continue to extort without giving something substantial in return.  If we do that he'll inevitably ask for something we simply cannot or will not deliver.
edited cause I goofed :(

Edited by and then, 02 April 2013 - 10:55 PM.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:05 PM

View Postand then, on 02 April 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

I originally just blew this all off as more whining for food and $ but it seems to be getting out of hand.  Wars have started for some pretty stupid reasons before now.  I don't know what the answer is though.  He cannot be allowed to continue to extort without giving something substantial in return.  If we do that he'll inevitably ask for something we simply cannot or will not deliver.
edited cause I goofed :(

Indeed, and guess what he does with foreign aid of food and money that supposed to go to the civilian population?
That's right, most of it is secretly re-directed to his military.

Did I mention that NK also counterfeits extremely high quality US $100 bills? The bills  are so good, they pass through most banks undetected, according to US Secret Service. I will be happy to provide official links if asked.

In any event, NK leadership needs to taken-out, one way or another.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:31 PM

View Postpallidin, on 02 April 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Hilander, if things go so far out of control that it goes globally nuclear,
I just want to say in advance before we die, I love you.  :wub:

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

NK stops SK workers from entering kasong industrial complex in NK near the border, SK workers are told to leave


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:12 PM

"We're going to shut down one of the only positive parts of our economy. That'll show them!"

North Korea is starting to run out of threats. If things don't start cooling down I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to lob some shells at South Korea.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

I wouldn't limit things to the US, China and the two Koreas.  Russia and Japan are also right there.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

If a conflict erupts, It could possibly expand to regional or global conflict, depending on which side China and/or Russia decides to play.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:17 PM

I don't think Russia or China are willing to risk war over North Korea. While having a buffer state is nice and all dealing with all the crazy seems to be wearing very thin. Plus I doubt China wants millions of refuees flooding over the border.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.




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