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#16    Emma_Acid

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 03 April 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

What's good for life with a machine cost $100 millions ?

Why don't you try educating yourself a bit?

Firstly, science is an economy. A massive one. It creates jobs, generates money and drives progress.

Secondly, we have to experiment without knowing the outcome. We are doing now with quantum physics what people like Faraday did in the 1800s with electricity - and their experiments gave birth to the modern world. Imagine what these new physics will do?


View Postpizza123401, on 03 April 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

The hadron collider is going to create a mini black hole that will go to the center of the earth and suck in the planet, so i think the hadron collider is a bad idea!

No it isn't.


View Postemde, on 05 April 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

How came nobody can stop them!!!??? Please STOP them now!!!!

I didn't know caves came with internet access.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 09 April 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

Why don't you try educating yourself a bit?

Firstly, science is an economy. A massive one. It creates jobs, generates money and drives progress.
Or a big waste of resource. Science may create job in some point, but it doesn't generate money, it's a spending of money in order to gain something. That thing might be priceless but it doesn't mean that everyone can take benefit from it.

View PostEmma_Acid, on 09 April 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

Secondly, we have to experiment without knowing the outcome. We are doing now with quantum physics what people like Faraday did in the 1800s with electricity - and their experiments gave birth to the modern world. Imagine what these new physics will do?
I don't know, you tell me. What these new physics will do? Faraday did a good job, yes. But it didn't took him $100 million, he did with little investment.
What can you do after you can confirm if the higg boson exist or not? Nothing. Might as well pick a side and consider it exists or not exists to move on. Might as well concentrate with dealing current problems on Earth rather than some imaginary theory


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Or a big waste of resource. Science may create job in some point, but it doesn't generate money, it's a spending of money in order to gain something. That thing might be priceless but it doesn't mean that everyone can take benefit from it.


I don't know, you tell me. What these new physics will do? Faraday did a good job, yes. But it didn't took him $100 million, he did with little investment.
What can you do after you can confirm if the higg boson exist or not? Nothing. Might as well pick a side and consider it exists or not exists to move on. Might as well concentrate with dealing current problems on Earth rather than some imaginary theory


Ya look how terrible the world is today because science invested in medicine.

Sittin back drinkin beer watchin the world take it's course.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:34 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Or a big waste of resource. Science may create job in some point, but it doesn't generate money, it's a spending of money in order to gain something. That thing might be priceless but it doesn't mean that everyone can take benefit from it.


I don't know, you tell me. What these new physics will do? Faraday did a good job, yes. But it didn't took him $100 million, he did with little investment.
What can you do after you can confirm if the higg boson exist or not? Nothing. Might as well pick a side and consider it exists or not exists to move on. Might as well concentrate with dealing current problems on Earth rather than some imaginary theory

Dude I hope you are trolling because if you are serious, than its really sad being you....

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 09 April 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Ya look how terrible the world is today because science invested in medicine.
I'm not bashing science in general. But this hadron collider seems stupid, what the heck can you do with a "god particle" anyway. We advanced the physics too far that our technologies won't be able to catch up.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Or a big waste of resource. Science may create job in some point, but it doesn't generate money, it's a spending of money in order to gain something. That thing might be priceless but it doesn't mean that everyone can take benefit from it.

I'll say it again: science is an economy. It generates jobs and money, the world over. This isn't my opinion, this is just a fact.

What resources are they wasting? And don't you think that the "something" they gain can be of social, financial or technological benefit, or are you just being short sighted for the sake of it?


View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

I don't know, you tell me. What these new physics will do?

Well, electricity created the 20th century. So use your imagination.


View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Faraday did a good job, yes. But it didn't took him $100 million, he did with little investment.

Are you saying that science is only worth it if it doesn't cost anything?

And "Faraday did a good job" might be understatement of the decade.


View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

What can you do after you can confirm if the higg boson exist or not? Nothing.

I'm assuming you've not done much reading on the physics.


View PostFlyingAngel, on 09 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Might as well concentrate with dealing current problems on Earth rather than some imaginary theory

Oh dear.

1. $100m is pittance in the grand scheme of things. Its not even a quarter of the budget of an average blockbuster thats made these days, and yet I'm sure you probably went to see The Avengers and didn't think that money could be better spend on cancer research. The UK government has spent more on bailing out the banks in the last decade than they ever have on science, in all of history. And yet the results shape our society.

2. The people who work in physics aren't taking away funding, jobs and facilities from other "current problems on Earth" (whatever that means).

3. Every day life around us - from the internet you use and the computer you're typing away on to the hospital equipment you might one day need - were developed because of research done at Cern, where the LHC is. To sit there tapping away at your computer while being utterly ignorant of the science that gives you such luxuries is nothing short of hypocritical.

4. "Some imaginary theory" - see my comment about you not having done any reading.


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I'm not bashing science in general. But this hadron collider seems stupid, what the heck can you do with a "god particle" anyway. We advanced the physics too far that our technologies won't be able to catch up.

So you haven't actually read or understood anything about it, but you're happy to come to a public forum and trash it anyway. Smart. And as for your last sentence... jeez, you just don't understand science, do you?

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:17 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 10 April 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

I'm not bashing science in general. But this hadron collider seems stupid, what the heck can you do with a "god particle" anyway. We advanced the physics too far that our technologies won't be able to catch up.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You don't really understand how research and development is hinged on science, do you? Where do you think the transistor came from? Or the optical fiber and the laser? Or all those other gadgets that you are using in your daily life? Maybe you should pack 'em all up and send them back and get your internet disconnected from your cave.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:31 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 10 April 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

I'm not bashing science in general. But this hadron collider seems stupid, what the heck can you do with a "god particle" anyway. We advanced the physics too far that our technologies won't be able to catch up.

Im pretty sure back in the days there was a bunch of fools who claimed the brothers wright "invention" as a useless waste, then some idiots maybe also claimed computers to be useless and then some imbeciles who laughed at the internet. And now read what you wrote and then you can see how well you fit beween thise people :yes:  ....no offense intended

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