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#61    Coffey


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:00 AM

View PostSky Scanner, on 09 April 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

I hear ya Coffey

I don't know how old you are, but i'm 38, I grew up in the last conservative governement (and on one of the toughest council estates in mid kent - medway towns)....this is how it used to work, how the system was played:

Say you had 10 friends all living on the same estate, the parents of each child would write to the dole office to say they had kicked there child out (even though they hadn't) the parents of their mate would say they have offered a room to them, so you would get housing benefits which each family would split evenly, then the child of the second family would write and say they have kicked their troublesome kid out, in comes the next family to 'offer them a room'.....so on and so forth.....you could do this ten fold and cream the money in....add on top of that that job seekers allowance wasn't checked back then, also, you would leave it 6 - 8 weeks, claim your bed had broken in your new digs or your cooker and given up and claim 200 - 300 in a 'crisis loan' which never got paid back as you didn't ever earn enough......(i'm not including my own family in this, I had working parents - but all my mates and their parents were at it)......massive scams like that were common place....

Now whilst i've had times of no work in the 20yrs since then I haven't claimed anything...but I would bet my house that the same or similiar scams are still working, so something has to be done, unfortunately people like you get tarred with that brush and have to jump through hoops to get your benefit.........maybe the current system is wrong, but something needs changing...

That's crazy. lol I heard of stuff like that where I'm from, a friend of mine used to rinse the crisis loans I know that. (grew up in bad area as well in Scotland)

I personally don't claim benefit, I have a job. Been on it a fair few times though, never once got a job through the Job centre or had any help from them. I went to college while my best friend/housemate supported me. Which we are both now in debt because of.

I know most of this stuff because one of my closest friends is on it and he struggles really badly. They constantly mess him around, even gets missed payments, less money than others but hardly has time to sort it because he's actually doing something. He is constantly trying for work, he works week days volunteering at a dog shelter. So he's not work shy at all.

I could see a system where you get rewarded for doing more. Like people who do voluntary work should get  a bonus or something as it gives them a higher employment rate.

It's a hard subject to cover, there is no easy way. It needs a collection of people who actually know what they are talking about to sit down and discuss it. Instead we have rich morons sorting it, what do they know about poverty?! lol

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:56 PM

Probably worthy of a thread of its own...lie detectors to catch benefit cheats !!


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:32 PM

View PostHilander, on 02 April 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

I have to admit I don't know much about British benefits but if they are fair now why do they need reformed?

Generally they are and when people obey the spirit rather than the letter, it's fair. The trouble is that there are loopholes allowing (a very small number of) people to make a huge profit being on benefits.

As for £53 a week. I'm a student but lucky enough to have money to spare. A friend of mine isn't so lucky and budgets £40 a week. It's more than doable. Leaves £13 a week for fun too. Or £676 a year. Not bad really. Certainly enough to live on.

Always have to laugh when you see the family on the news:

"Well we got back from Florida, bought a 42" plasma TV on the way, which we leave on even while being interviewed on the news, and we can't afford to pay our electricity bill. It's too much, we're being punished for being poor!"

No. You're being punished for not understanding how money works. If you spend it all on non-essentials, you cannot be spending it on other things.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:01 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 09 April 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

the figure is just over one million. who have been claiming benefits consecutively for ten years. - the figure is higher if we include 5 to 10 years. so you can go on happily ignoring this majority of the minority making sure the kids dont starve, so not only are you happy funding the work-shy you now want take responsibility for their children. another issue - of child support.

'problem employee' i've heard of this people being over qualified - the question is why on earth when applying for a lower skilled job do people put down qualifications irrelevant for the position applied for?. making them over qualified and making their chances of gaining employment limited.
so to save yourself a penny or two in tax would you like to see kids starve .its not childrens faults there parents have been exposed to a feckless society so let emm starve.i never thought i would see a tory from liverpool the city thatcher said should be left to a managed decline and then leveled .i bet you ancestors would be so proud.

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