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#346    psyche101

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 09 April 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

oh, I know, I'm not necessarily saying it might be a technological society; although it would be interesting to see how the Dolphins do it. :yes:

Dolphins have quite some time on their hands, I agree it would be interesting to see that even if they never reach a technological age, could they attain a form of open communication? Like to a point whereby they try to converse with other species? I am not sure I would rule such out altogether, and might something to consider. It might be pie in the sky too, but hey.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:31 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 09 April 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

How can you be so sure? The only one we've managed to study in close enough detail to be able to say anything with any reasonable certainty (i.e. we've actually got down and studied by driving about and probing about in the soil) is Mars. We assume that Mercurcy, Venus & the gas giants can be ruled out, but so far that is only an assumption. We've seen how Extremophiles, as I believe they're called, can adapt to some pretty unwelcoming conditions here on the Earth.

They did have a good head start here though to be fair. I have to agree with Frank, what we are seeing so far is pretty scarce, and as scowl has rightly pointed out, the odds are not as high as often made out. A planet does not automatically mean life,

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:41 AM

Interesting news; its too bad Kepler is so limited in the range of sky it observes.  We need thousands of Keplers out there to do a proper survey, and I doubt there is budget for that.  The "wobble" method of finding planets is only going to find a few around very near stars that are very close to their suns.

Interesting news; its too bad Kepler is so limited in the range of sky it observes.  We need thousands of Keplers out there to do a proper survey, and I doubt there is budget for that.  The "wobble" method of finding planets is only going to find a few around very near stars that are very close to their suns.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:43 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 09 April 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Dolphins have quite some time on their hands, I agree it would be interesting to see that even if they never reach a technological age, could they attain a form of open communication? Like to a point whereby they try to converse with other species? I am not sure I would rule such out altogether, and might something to consider. It might be pie in the sky too, but hey.
As a species dolphins have been on earth much longer than we have, and show no sign of technology, not even some equivalent of stone-age techology, so, smart as they are, this sort of development does not seem likely.  Maybe they will evolve in spiritual or philosophical or artistic ways we cannot imagine, or maybe what we see is all we are gonna get


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:29 AM

Congratulations on getting Skeptics and believers on the same side though, that's some achievement. lol

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 03 April 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

i think fungi is only an earth thing

What?!

Fungi is the only thing on the planet that is considered "different" to all other living things. It can survive in space.....

So where exactly did you come to that conclusion?

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 03 April 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

everything on this planet is unique to this planet.

everything in the solar system is unique to this solar system

Our planet is part of this solar system. So what you said doesn't make sense. lol

Edited by Coffey, 09 April 2013 - 11:33 AM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 April 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Interesting news; its too bad Kepler is so limited in the range of sky it observes.  We need thousands of Keplers out there to do a proper survey, and I doubt there is budget for that.  The "wobble" method of finding planets is only going to find a few around very near stars that are very close to their suns.

Interesting news; its too bad Kepler is so limited in the range of sky it observes.  We need thousands of Keplers out there to do a proper survey, and I doubt there is budget for that.  The "wobble" method of finding planets is only going to find a few around very near stars that are very close to their suns.

Yet even so, we already have almost 3,000 candidates. Boggles the mind.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 April 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

As a species dolphins have been on earth much longer than we have, and show no sign of technology, not even some equivalent of stone-age techology, so, smart as they are, this sort of development does not seem likely.  Maybe they will evolve in spiritual or philosophical or artistic ways we cannot imagine, or maybe what we see is all we are gonna get

I would not consider something so grandiose as technology, more something along the lines of developing a structured cross species communication and or relationship, perhaps brought on by needs such as hunting. Even such, seems rather hopeful I admit.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:36 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 April 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

It appears that life is possible only under limited condituions, and the conditions needed to start life are even more limited.  We should expect most planets, then, to be sterile, and this does seem to be what we see in our solar system.
yup

little do they kno im basing my theory off new findings and thats why it sounds foreign to them because they still relying on oldstudies


its 2013
the keplar mission is re writing all our early theories bout the universe


catch up

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:45 PM

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 09 April 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

yup

little do they kno im basing my theory off new findings and thats why it sounds foreign to them because they still relying on oldstudies


its 2013
the keplar mission is re writing all our early theories bout the universe


catch up
Catch up with what?


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 April 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Catch up with what?

to new findings suggesting the way you think solar systems are form are not accurate

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

Oh, really?


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 April 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Oh, really?

i wasnt referring to you because you seem to kno of new findings

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 April 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Oh, really?
No, you mean o, rly?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Well I meant what I said, but he defused it fine.  I don't understand your question.





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