To me this boils down to something that comes up a lot but I don't think has a simplistic answer: how much blame does a specific belief system deserve when it is questionable whether the corresponding believers are actually correctly adhering to that belief. Let me use gay marriage as an example, and the opposition by Christians to it. I am of the opinion that there simply is no call or command by Jesus anywhere in the Bible to make sin illegal or to use the mechanisms of the state to prevent people from sinning. If anything, I thought Jesus provided the opposite message (render unto Caesar...). So to me it is incorrect for Christians to say they object to the legality of gay marriage or fornication or whatever on Christian grounds. But unfortunately contrary to that I also believe that at some point 'Christianity' is what Christians believe it is regardless of what it says in the Bible so it's difficult to untangle the two.
First off, thank you. It was ranty and I was ticked off big time. And hypocritical yes, that's probably just it, but that's what so many don't see, the rules don't have to be fair, they are tilted to suit God's side, because of, well nothing more or anymore justification required than it's God's law and many think God's law supercedes man's law. And while PA says I'm stereotyping, I believe he himself says that as well. So there you have a conundrum when you say your religion has no place in government or law to people who believe that God's law supercedes man's law, while I say and so does my country that they are supposed to be separate, church and state. So many of them don't want that separation, they believe they follow the one and only true religion, the one and only true God and it's over EVERYTHING, except for some reason their tax-free status, so yes, hypocritcal yes, totally. Thing is they can't be reasoned with when they think like that and why I got so mad and said I think it's toxic poison and would go away, yes, extreme but I was very annoyed. I liked how you said that though, the legality of gay marriage, that kind of emphasizes the separation, they don't have to support it, they don't have to be gay, gay and married, but the legality of something and what the bible says are things that should be on 2 totally different playing fields.
I just read your signature: "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"
How absolutely perfect to what I'm talking about.
Edited by ChloeB, 05 April 2013 - 03:24 PM.