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#1    Ohelemapit

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:48 PM

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  • NHS should adopt a 'no concessions' policy on smoking, according to draft guidance from NICE
  • Smoking shelters should be removed from hospitals and staff disciplined for smoking in uniform
  • Patients and their relatives should be offered nicotine  gum and patches instead

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

Most hospitals won't let you smoke on their property now and its been that way for quit sometime.

Edited by Hilander, 06 April 2013 - 12:00 AM.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:01 AM

It is their property......They can not tell people not to smoke anywhere else though. ( no smoking allowed at all )

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:10 AM

yep because of the attitude of the general public allowing the government to ban anything they want, slowly slowly it's turning into communism. That's right, that's when the government has full control on what you say or do. For sure ban smoking, hell ban marijuana too! ban them for riding around with loud motor vehicles, including motorcycles, ban everything that may be bad to society, oh don't just ban, create another form of tax when someone does something wrong! Give them a fine. Fine them for speeding over 3km/h. Fine them for littering, fine them if they dont comply to the rules. Fine them all! Because it's the best way to get more tax for the economy. Then one day the people will wake up to themselves and start complaining that the very society that they live in makes them so unhappy. Thank god I don't live in america! God bless america!

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:06 AM

Seems like common sense... hospitals are for getting healthy not breathing in second hand smoke or smelling the horrid eau de stale diarrhea scent of someone who just had a cigarette.

Don't get me wrong, I used to smoke, I think people have the right to smoke cigarettes but not at the cost of someone elses health and comfort.  Because, face it, until smokers can control where the smoke goes it is assaulting someone elses senses.
I live in an apartment with enclosed lanais but my neighbor smokes and it just blows straight into my apartment even if I close all my windows.

So, who's rights are being violated in my situation?  If I don't want to breathe it in I have to leave my apartment.  If I don't want my apartment to smell like stale cigarettes, I have to go out and spend MY money to counteract the effect of another persons actions.  If I complain, I am a b****.  Never mind the whole second hand smoke inhalation argument.

The law in Hawaii is, you must be 20 feet from a doorway or entrance to smoke.  Well, we all know that smoke floats, so that means any non sMoker, regardless of who was there first, had to go out of their way to accommodate the smoker, yet again.

If you want to drink alcohol, you can't drive because you could hurt other people.  If you choose to smoke cigarettes you can whine about how the government is trying to control everything and light up another ******* cigarette and not give a **** about anyone else because it's all about you.  

Never mind that breathing air is not a choice for us but a necessity whereas smoking cigarettes is a choice that all smokers FORCE upon non smokers.



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

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Seems like common sense... hospitals are for getting healthy not breathing in second hand smoke or smelling the horrid eau de stale diarrhea scent of someone who just had a cigarette.

Don't get me wrong, I used to smoke, I think people have the right to smoke cigarettes but not at the cost of someone elses health and comfort.  Because, face it, until smokers can control where the smoke goes it is assaulting someone elses senses.
I live in an apartment with enclosed lanais but my neighbor smokes and it just blows straight into my apartment even if I close all my windows.

So, who's rights are being violated in my situation?  If I don't want to breathe it in I have to leave my apartment.  If I don't want my apartment to smell like stale cigarettes, I have to go out and spend MY money to counteract the effect of another persons actions.  If I complain, I am a b****.  Never mind the whole second hand smoke inhalation argument.

The law in Hawaii is, you must be 20 feet from a doorway or entrance to smoke.  Well, we all know that smoke floats, so that means any non sMoker, regardless of who was there first, had to go out of their way to accommodate the smoker, yet again.

If you want to drink alcohol, you can't drive because you could hurt other people.  If you choose to smoke cigarettes you can whine about how the government is trying to control everything and light up another ******* cigarette and not give a **** about anyone else because it's all about you.  

Never mind that breathing air is not a choice for us but a necessity whereas smoking cigarettes is a choice that all smokers FORCE upon non smokers.



Ex-Smokers are the worst....

People that never smoked do not complain as much as ex-smokers.....I find that odd.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

a hospital in sunderland tried to enforce this and it led to a porter (following instructions from his boss to enforce it)getting his nose broken from a head but .if they want to do this who will enforce it ?doctors being beaten up nurses? .it is unenforcable unless we spend money on security which lets face it isnt going to happen.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:53 PM

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Ex-Smokers are the worst....

People that never smoked do not complain as much as ex-smokers.....I find that odd.

It is true that ex smokers complain a lot, it's because once you've been clean for awhile the body reacts adversely to the poison of cigarettes.  I think back and wonder what was so pleasurable about cigarettes.

As far as people who have never smoked before not complaining as much, that ha not been my experience.

Like I said in my previous post, I will stop complaining when the smoke stops stinking up my property, my air and my lungs.  Smokers should smoke all they want, until their lungs turn into shriveled raisins if that's the case but DON'T FORCE ME TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR CHOICE.

Just because one might find my statements annoying doesn't make them any less valid.







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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:13 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 06 April 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

It is true that ex smokers complain a lot, it's because once you've been clean for awhile the body reacts adversely to the poison of cigarettes.  I think back and wonder what was so pleasurable about cigarettes.

As far as people who have never smoked before not complaining as much, that ha not been my experience.

Like I said in my previous post, I will stop complaining when the smoke stops stinking up my property, my air and my lungs.  Smokers should smoke all they want, until their lungs turn into shriveled raisins if that's the case but DON'T FORCE ME TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR CHOICE.

Just because one might find my statements annoying doesn't make them any less valid.


I had smoked, quit for 5 years ( only smoked about 2 ). During that time, cigarettes bothered me worse then when I did not smoke at all. I think ex-smokers are more sensitive to the smell.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:40 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 06 April 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

It is true that ex smokers complain a lot, it's because once you've been clean for awhile the body reacts adversely to the poison of cigarettes.  I think back and wonder what was so pleasurable about cigarettes.

As far as people who have never smoked before not complaining as much, that ha not been my experience.

Like I said in my previous post, I will stop complaining when the smoke stops stinking up my property, my air and my lungs.  Smokers should smoke all they want, until their lungs turn into shriveled raisins if that's the case but DON'T FORCE ME TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR CHOICE.

Just because one might find my statements annoying doesn't make them any less valid.


Let me extend then your valid annoyance to something equally valid and annoying:

I hate air fresheners. They give me nausea. From those horrible little stinky trees that hang even in buses to those god awful containers of carcinogens people spray all over their houses and what’s the real problem – in each store or office.
I don’t want that poison on my skin and in my lungs, yet I have no choice but to exist in first and second hand clouds of substances that may smell good to someone but smell like chemical warfare to me.

I want air fresheners banned from all public places and if you intend to use them in your own home, make sure they don’t leak out and contaminate my air.
I want my cancer to come from less artificial and less barf-inducing source.

Then we must also ban stripes and dots. Such patterns may trigger epileptic seizures. Sudden flashes of light too.
Then ban music altogether because each genre drives someone insane.
Ban low waist pants too, because fat people look like muffins in them and it spoils my appetite and will make me anorexic in the end.

Back to cancer, ban all internal combustion engines and petrochemical industry, because of carcinogenic aromatic carbohydrates and because I don’t want your exhaust pipe stinking up air above my sidewalk.

Ban all fires, including birthday cake candles, because any combustion produces carcinogens.

Or, we could simply ban densely populated areas and suddenly no one would care who stinks of what because everyone would have some private space and reasonably unstinked by others air.


Smoking is bad, almost like industrial and traffic pollution, and though banning it seems like doing something, it’s actually bizarre measure for as long as nothing was done about smog. Or god damned air fresheners. Cancer in a can. Ew.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

It Patients who smoke that I have seen and they look horrible!  I say ban smoking patients


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:07 PM

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Let me extend then your valid annoyance to something equally valid and annoying:

I hate air fresheners. They give me nausea. From those horrible little stinky trees that hang even in buses to those god awful containers of carcinogens people spray all over their houses and whatís the real problem Ė in each store or office.
I donít want that poison on my skin and in my lungs, yet I have no choice but to exist in first and second hand clouds of substances that may smell good to someone but smell like chemical warfare to me.

I want air fresheners banned from all public places and if you intend to use them in your own home, make sure they donít leak out and contaminate my air.
I want my cancer to come from less artificial and less barf-inducing source.

Then we must also ban stripes and dots. Such patterns may trigger epileptic seizures. Sudden flashes of light too.
Then ban music altogether because each genre drives someone insane.
Ban low waist pants too, because fat people look like muffins in them and it spoils my appetite and will make me anorexic in the end.

Back to cancer, ban all internal combustion engines and petrochemical industry, because of carcinogenic aromatic carbohydrates and because I donít want your exhaust pipe stinking up air above my sidewalk.

Ban all fires, including birthday cake candles, because any combustion produces carcinogens.

Or, we could simply ban densely populated areas and suddenly no one would care who stinks of what because everyone would have some private space and reasonably unstinked by others air.


Smoking is bad, almost like industrial and traffic pollution, and though banning it seems like doing something, itís actually bizarre measure for as long as nothing was done about smog. Or god damned air fresheners. Cancer in a can. Ew.


Whatever floats your boat lady.

You might want to note that I don't give rat turd if people smoke, I just don't want to be forced to breathe it in.   It's simple act of consideration that I'm led to believe is too much to ask for from smokers.
If that's the case maybe I should walk around spraying air fresheners.

  I'll make sure to note not to use air fresheners if you should come to my house.  Which smells of lavender fields.

Edited by Lava_Lady, 07 April 2013 - 07:38 PM.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

View Postpitchp, on 06 April 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

yep because of the attitude of the general public allowing the government to ban anything they want, slowly slowly it's turning into communism. That's right, that's when the government has full control on what you say or do. For sure ban smoking, hell ban marijuana too! ban them for riding around with loud motor vehicles, including motorcycles, ban everything that may be bad to society, oh don't just ban, create another form of tax when someone does something wrong! Give them a fine. Fine them for speeding over 3km/h. Fine them for littering, fine them if they dont comply to the rules. Fine them all! Because it's the best way to get more tax for the economy. Then one day the people will wake up to themselves and start complaining that the very society that they live in makes them so unhappy. Thank god I don't live in america! God bless america!

The article is talking about hospitals in the UK not America.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:54 PM

I was in hospital a couple of weeks ago and there were a lot of patients going outside for a smoke. The NHS has got  a big problem enforcing a 'no smoking anywhere on hospital grounds'. I can vouch that there would be riots on the wards. I am in and out of hospital and patients who do smoke get REALLY aggitated without their ciggies and putting a nicotine patch on doesn't sort their cravings.

Also, I was speaking to one of the nurses who was rushing off for her lunch break and she told me that she had to go off the grounds to have a ciggy or risk being disciplined. She also told me that the hospital had been photographing staff just off the grounds who were smoking :unsure2:

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

View PostLava_Lady, on 07 April 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Whatever floats your boat lady.


Second-hand air fresheners make me barf in my boat. Second-hand exhaust fumes nurture my future cancer, but hey, you need your car so it’s all right I drop dead because of what you want and choose to ignore its dangers.  


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You might want to note that I don't give rat turd if people smoke, I just don't want to be forced to breathe it in.   It's simple act of consideration that I'm led to believe is too much to ask for from smokers.
If that's the case maybe I should walk around spraying air fresheners.


I noticed you don’t give a rat turd about others. It’s only what you like or don’t like. What you choose to insist on and what you choose to ignore. Very convenient. I'd ban such conveniences by law.



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I'll make sure to note not to use air fresheners if you should come to my house.  Which smells of lavender fields.


How nice of you. Just like a smoker choosing not to smoke when non-smokers drop by.
And that is not enough - according to you.
Not enough. You have to be stopped by the law from spreading carcinogens of your choice. Your carcinogenic chemicals escape from your private property, giving cancer to anyone who lives near you.
Just because you choose to ignore your carcinogens are carcinogen it doesn’t make them less dangerous.
So I’d call your neighbourhood situation even, with notable exception that your neighbours probably don’t post about aggressive smells from your place, because media hasn’t put people’s minds into crusade against that particular set of carcinogens mode.

It’s not only acceptable but it’s also fashionable to take your frustrations out on smokers, and I’m growing slightly tired of that.

And little something Lava Lady didn’t touch but I want to cover too:
The medical expenses of my future cancer were paid entirely by all the cigarettes I bought so far. (Larger part of price of tobacco goes directly into state budget over here.) I am actually by smoking from now on covering some cheap non-smokers expenses, because NEWSFLASH non-smokers get cancer too.
And then everyone says in consternation: “But, but uncle Joe... he never smoked! He was such a nice man, working in asbestos factory and then in the garage apart from that time he spent in nuclear plant. How on earth he, of all people, got cancer?!”
I really wouldn’t know.

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