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#91    The Puzzler

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:35 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 April 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

My quotes only imply contact between the two civilizations.

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I have been thinking of a possible connection with the Hittites, who lived west of Gonur Tepe.
Is this about the Margiana maybe being Magy/Magyar? From OLB?

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:01 PM

Don't get me wrong this is an interesting topic but its only being brought to light now in april 2013??
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:03 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 17 May 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:


Is this about the Margiana maybe being Magy/Magyar? From OLB?

I speak fluent Magyar. What are you asking? , I haven't read through the thread yet.
Perhaps I can assist..

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:33 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 17 May 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong this is an interesting topic but its only being brought to light now in april 2013??
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perhaps things got waylaid in the dark ages of googling :

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:09 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 17 May 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

I speak fluent Magyar. What are you asking? , I haven't read through the thread yet.
Perhaps I can assist..
Maybe, thanks - but it was directed really at Abe that particular question, simply because I wondered if he started the thread because he thought they were. The Oera Linda Book is a long thread we have been in for years, you'd have to read some of it and maybe the OLB to see who these particular Magy are referenced as, (if you haven't already) but if you do speak Magyar, you might actually find it all really interesting.

When the Magy found this out, he took the handsomest of his Finns and Magyars, and promised them “red cows with golden horns” to let themselves be taken prisoners by our people in order to spread his doctrines. His people did even more. Children disappeared, were taken away to the uplands, and after they had been brought up in his pernicious doctrines, were sent back.
When these pretended prisoners had learned our language, they persuaded the dukes and nobles that they should become subject to the Magy—that then their sons would succeed to them without having to be elected.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/

The original thread went for so long, the Mods created a Part 2 of it, we're up to here: http://www.unexplain...0

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

But to prevent any confusion, the OLB talks about "MAGIAR", not "MAGYAR". These Magiar were the priests of a people who were called "FINNA" by the Fryans, and the Fryans were a people who supposedly had created a civilization in ancient Europe.

And the OLB "Finns and their Magiar" also had statues and churches/temples. The Magiar ruled their people as priest-kings.

Personally I think the OLB "Magiar" were the "Mager", borrowed from a Dutch epic poem written by Willem van Haren in the 18th century. These "Mager" were Zoroastrians, and would explain the statues and temples and priest-kings. As far as I know, the ancient "Magyar" (with the present-day Hungarians as their descendants) didn't have all that.

But I don't want to derail this thread, so anything concerning the OLB (Oera Linda Book) should better be posted in that thread.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:55 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 17 May 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong this is an interesting topic but its only being brought to light now in april 2013??
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It was brought to light decades earlier as you will know, but as the number of finds keeps growing and the idea that this appears to be an unknown civilization gets more support, I thought I'd start a thread about it because many (like me) will not have heard of it before.

The Egyptian pyramids were 'discovered' thousands of years ago, but look at the number of threads about Egyptian pyramids, lol.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 17 May 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Is this about the Margiana maybe being Magy/Magyar? From OLB?

No, I just happened to find an article about an unknown civilization.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 02:47 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 17 May 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

But to prevent any confusion, the OLB talks about "MAGIAR", not "MAGYAR". These Magiar were the priests of a people who were called "FINNA" by the Fryans, and the Fryans were a people who supposedly had created a civilization in ancient Europe.

And the OLB "Finns and their Magiar" also had statues and churches/temples. The Magiar ruled their people as priest-kings.

Personally I think the OLB "Magiar" were the "Mager", borrowed from a Dutch epic poem written by Willem van Haren in the 18th century. These "Mager" were Zoroastrians, and would explain the statues and temples and priest-kings. As far as I know, the ancient "Magyar" (with the present-day Hungarians as their descendants) didn't have all that.

But I don't want to derail this thread, so anything concerning the OLB (Oera Linda Book) should better be posted in that thread.


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The OLB talks about - look closely - MAG then a back to front Y - (for Magy)
Then Page 3 of Knuls copies MAG-back to front Y-ARA
Why would this back to front Y be an I when I is already an OLB letter? But same with Y...
You can answer me in the OLB thread if you like. Check the original. http://www.rodinbook.nl/olbscans.html
Then check the alphabet in the OLB - what letter does that back to front Y equate to do you think?

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:45 PM

I spent about 30 mins  writing this in another thread so im going to drop it here since its suited. And to clear things up,  yuh know? So check dis out,..



MAGYAR (hungarian) history in a nutshell:


When hungarians came into europe around 800AD they were discriminated against primarimly by the roman empire which was most of europe still at the time. now the main enemy against all of the roman empire was none other than the Huns who not only threatened sacked and beat many of their armies but later collaborated with the Germanic tribes and from there on severely broke up much of the western roman provinces, really the empire which began to deteriorate (the eastern roman empire was ok until our turk cousins much later put an end to that).
Anyhow hungarians were considered nothing more than barbaric hunnic peoples who came back 300 years later to steak its brethren hun land and so the hostility there began.
Hungarians tride to present they were not barbaric but because our language is not like any other. 3 european language families consisting of which is either German, Slavic and Latin, was to them proof that we were just huns from asia and the papal noted all of europe to have us exiled and threatened to conquer..
So. After awhile we joined with the Avars a then growing european empire in the east of europe and renounced ourselves but in later centuries our armies dwindled down and smaller nations were now beginning to form Throughout europe and the threats also came back. Hungary claimed that finns which also have their own language Which they were able to maintain for being isolated way up north, were also from asia even though they came into europe several thousand yearx headmstart they weren no threat and far settled. So hungry said they wers related to the finns which in reality hasnt been in the case in over 10, 000 years if at all.
Somehow it was accepted that Hungarian and finnish was soemhow related through language syntax. But because europeans other than huns and finns cant understand either one they couldnt bother to dispute it.
I speak hungarian (Magyar). I cannot understand a word in finnish. There are a few if a hands amount of archaic words that are somehwat similar like fish. For us its hol, finns its hulla I think. We even have a root to some archaic japanese words like katana in jap means sword, in Hungarian katana means soldier taken from sword holder (its real definition).
so there lies the lies and distorted history of Hungarian people. Also we had to act like we hated all turks and that we werent related, but we are. Turkish is not the same but I picked up on turkish very fast when I lived in turkey for awhile. In 3 months I was speaking it fairly well. In recent times 1700s the ottomans came back up into europe and took over hungary and we were forced to fight them though we lost, but we lived fine under their rule for 150 years.
History said the original huns left no trace of proof or writing to recall its language but it most likely was hungarian. Hungarians in the early days when they came over would never reveal that due to severe persecution and forced assimilation.
In hungary the number one boys name is Attila. (Attila the hun). Its like Joe in america. If that doesnt hint the connection idk what does.
When I lived in istanbul I came across many turks named Attila also though not as much as In hungary. I have about four relatives with the name.

Then we had to accept christianity and we got our autonomy as a country,

Right after ww2 was over and the U.S. and russia signed off on splitting europe as long as the soviets stuck to the east they could have it. The us backed by britain and france made that deal to leave the west alone.  Most people dont know this little fact,..And during that deal Hungary lost 72% of its land thanks to the west , (trionon treaty) which we were then overthrown with communism with the soviets til communism crashed ,.and. So today we are left with the rest today. I was in transylvania and they all speak Hungarian because it used to be apart of hungary.
Romania also up til communism fell in 1989 were persecuting us but thats another story.

So fact is we are very much an asian turkic people , cousins to turks and turks and Hungarian were always a threat to europe. First with huns then the ottoman empire. Its no wonder we are afard to have our history books rewritten with the actual facts.

That link doesnt mention much most who dont know whats going on so hope this explained it.

○○○●⊙●⊙●⊙●⊙● Now for the sumerian connection...............




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The principal results of the research conducted so far on the Sumerian-Hungarian relationship have indicated that these languages have over a thousand common word roots and a very similar grammatical structure (37). In his Sumerian Etymological Dictionary and Comparative Grammar, Kálmán Gosztony, professor of Sumerian philology at the Sorbonne, demonstrated that the grammatical structure of the Hungarian language is the closest to that of the Sumerian language: out of the 53 characteristics of Sumerian grammar, there are 51 matching characteristics in the Hungarian language, 29 in the Turkic languages,  21 in the Uralic languages, 5 in the Semitic languages, and 4 in the Indo-European languages.The linguistic similarities between Sumerian, Hungarian and other languages are corroborated by the archeological and anthropological data discovered so far. These archeological finds indicate that the Sumerians were the first settlers of Southern Mesopotamia (5000 BC), where they had come from the mountainous regions to the North and East with their knowledge of agriculture and metallurgy, and where they built the first cities. Increased food production through the use of irrigation allowed an unprecedented population increase, resulting in successive migratory waves which can be traced archeologically and anthropologically throughout Eurasia and North Africa (38). Thus, from the evidence left by this process of colonization, it appears that the Sumerian city-states were able to exert a preponderant economic, cultural, linguistic and ethnic influence during several thousand years not only in Mesopotamia and the rest of the Near East, but also beyond, in the Mediterranean Basin, in the Danubian Basin, in the regions North of the Caucasus and of the Black Sea, in the Caspian-Aral, Volga-Ural, and Altai regions, as well as in Iran and India. It seems therefore that the Sumerians and their civilization had a determining influence not only on later Near-Eastern civilizations, but also on the Mediterranean, Indian, and even Chinese civilizations, as well as on the formation of the various Eurasian ethno-linguistic groups (39).



There is much evidence which has only just began to surfice recently (within past 100 years) where sumerian and hun runics were found to be the same,.. which is starting to make sense, and if its true and we are an offspring of sumerians that means we migrated north into the ural mountains north of Turkey,  prior to merging with turkic tribes and then into europe. google sumerian an hungarian runic for more info , here's just one, i dont have time right now to post more..


http://www.hunmagyar...or/controve.htm

Edited by Sheep Smart, 19 May 2013 - 03:52 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:19 PM

The Anau Seal (2300 BC)

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The discovery of a single tiny stone seal (known as the "Anau seal") with geometric markings from the BMAC site at Anau in Turkmenistan in 2000 led some to claim that the Bactria-Margiana complex had also developed writing, and thus may indeed be considered a literate civilization. It bears five markings strikingly similar to Chinese "small seal" characters, but such characters date from the Qin reforms of roughly 100 AD, while the Anau seal is dated by context to 2,300 BCE. It is therefore an unexplained anomaly.

Three months after the announcement of its discovery in Central Asia, a tiny stone object inscribed with symbols thought to be the writing of an obscure desert culture from 4,000 years ago is more of an enigma than ever.....If this is indeed an early form of writing, as its discoverer has suggested, it is strong evidence for a previously unknown civilization that began about 2300 B.C. across much of modern Turkmenistan and parts of Uzbekistan and Afghanistan....An even more puzzling aspect of the discovery has been raised by specialists in ancient Chinese writing. They contend that the inscription bears more than a passing resemblance to Chinese writing -- not an early script, but one that was not used until about 200 B.C.... There is no clear evidence for Chinese writing before about 1300 or 1200 B.C. -- 1,000 years after people lived at the Anau site in Turkmenistan where the mysterious inscription was unearthed.

"Scholars have long predicted an important outside influence on the Sumerians (as Anau reveals levels which go back to the Copper Age, c. 4500 BCE), and many see the Bronze Age Bactrians as eventually contributing to the Harappan Indus Valley civilization, though whether through trade, conquest, or some unremarkable and unknown process, is not yet clear."

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Another possibility, which would throw the scholarship of Chinese writing into turmoil, is that the 2300 inscription date is correct. That would suggest that influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point. ''The Anau seal forces us to rethink in a most radical fashion the origins of the Chinese script,'' he said.

Anau was one of several settlements in the foothills that preceded the culture's expansion around 2200 B.C. out into the arid basin, where the residents practiced irrigated farming at oases. Whoever the people were, their culture is now called the Bactria Margiana Archaeology Complex. It disappeared a few hundred years after the expansion.......Previous research had shown that the culture built large urban centers with fortifications, had the administrative skills to develop extensive irrigation systems and produced surpluses to pay for fine ceramics, jewelry and bronze goods. If Dr. Hiebert's findings are correct, the culture also developed a writing, or proto-writing systems. Thus, by the definition of some anthropologists, the culture probably could be considered an early civilization that was later lost.

8000 BCE......"we are looking at a part of the world, even though it had been forgotten by western scholars, which really takes its place as a partner in the development from the first farmers about 10,000 years ago up to early villagers when we see the beginning of our settlement in Anau at Turkmenistan 4,500 B. C., all the way through the development of these large cities that we are finding out in the deserts. And I am quite convinced that 5,000 years ago an ancient Sumerian would have some understanding of what a central Asian was, or what central Asian artifacts were and vice versa."....Fredrik Talmage Hiebert, Ph.D., Prof. of Anthropology, Univ. of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology and Assistant Curator of Near Eastern Archaeology, Philadelphpia, Pennsylvania.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:17 AM

Thanks for enlightening me sheepy, appreciated.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:12 PM

Amazing thread Abramelin. :tu:

Just one correction. Hittites were not connected to India via Mittani. Hittites destroyed Mittani empire.

Also wonder is there any traces of floods at Gonur tepe.

Cormac:
The Sumerian's themselves put the big flood at a time before they lived in Mesopotamia, and they say that it happened to the north of Mesopotamia, so it is very unlikely that any geological evidence found in Mesopotamia is that big flood.


To add something
The trading center of Meluhha, mentioned by the Sumerians....Indus valley civilization?

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