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#16    MissMelsWell

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:21 PM

So after reading that article and the chain of events... those kids probably would have been safer with the grandparents. Their parents do sound unstable at best. I hope they're all found safe and that it can all be sorted out.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:30 AM

View PostKowalski, on 07 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

I really don't understand this at all. The government HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FRIGGIN' RIGHT TO TAKE ANYONES KIDS AWAY!! They weren't being hit or abused!

unfortunately in most states they really do. By law. The "family" laws, passed in previous decades make the "safety of the children" paramount. That means just about anything anyone can conjure up. All they have to do is present a judge with the idea that there is a "likelyhood" of something. In civil court, it is NOT beyond a reasonable doubt but on a preponderance of so called evidence. And paramount means that it supercedes all other laws. The government have the largest pockets of all - nearly always wins.

View PostMissMelsWell, on 07 April 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

So after reading that article and the chain of events... those kids probably would have been safer with the grandparents. Their parents do sound unstable at best. I hope they're all found safe and that it can all be sorted out.

It's be nice if it actually worked that way.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:32 AM

View PostKowalski, on 07 April 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

. But, these people didn't deserve to have their children taken from them.

in the eyes of the law, what they "deserve" has no relationship to what happens.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:38 AM

There are several States in the uSA where pot is legal or legal for medicinal use. It certainly does not qualify as a reason to take a child away. CPS across the country are a horrid government agency that leaves kids with pedophiles and will take your child for silly reasons and give them to unqualified unchecked "foster" parents. Go listen some interviews from children that were taken from loving homes and put into foster care and what happened to them. Get real. CPS has no clue how to HELP children that actually need it.

It is there track record that speaks volumes.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:58 AM

View PostStellar, on 07 April 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

Just to point out: pot is an illegal drug, regardless of anyone's thoughts on how good or bad it is. If people were allowed to break any law they disagree with, then we would be living in chaos, not society.

Maybe so, but let the punnishment fit the crime. Neither of the parents had a criminal record. One I believe is a scientist, the other  retired from the air force. They had no reason what so ever to take thier children. Then after losing thier kids for a freaking YEAR, the courts decided they would have all rights removed. None of this had anything to do with pot. They were being made a example of for gathering and speaking out against tyrants. Cause thats exactly what Tyrants do. I pray they never find these people. I hope they make it out of the nazi states of america and find a place where they can be free to raise thier children.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:15 AM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 07 April 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

So after reading that article and the chain of events... those kids probably would have been safer with the grandparents. Their parents do sound unstable at best. I hope they're all found safe and that it can all be sorted out.

Why? Cause after they went through the system and played by the rules they still took it in the ass, and decided to take matters into thier own hands? The media wants you to believe they are crazy, but havent even come close to proving that in any way. This kinda thing is gonna happen and is happening to everyone who actualy cares about what this government is doing to this country. You destroy the lives of people for having one joint, while your (the government) caught constantly shipping the drugs in from other countries? Where is the law that says going to a raily, or having a joint, and you lose your kids.

In fact these kids are seriously lucky they had family willing to take them in. Cause if they had been put in the system, the likleyhood they would be seriously abused and put on dangerous medications are near 100%. Who is there to protect these kids from CPS scum? Who operate under no laws, and just do what ever they want to who ever they want. They are more dangerous to children all over he country then the parents who do abuse thier kids.

Bet your ass if this was me and my children, rrrrrrr nevermind.

Edited by preacherman76, 08 April 2013 - 11:16 AM.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

View PostKowalski, on 07 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

I really don't understand this at all. The government HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FRIGGIN' RIGHT TO TAKE ANYONES KIDS AWAY!! They weren't being hit or abused!

From the Daily Mail article.

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Police described Mr and Mrs Hakken as being intoxicated and making incoherent statements completing their ultimate journey' and driving to California to 'beat the Armageddon.'
Joshua Hakken talked about a series of fantasy books that had changed his life, called The Sword of Truth. He said he was heading to the 'Valley of Rahaan.' The Hakkens' two small children were present.
In the hotel room police found marijuana, a gun and a large knife. Mr Hakken was arrested on multiple drug charges and jailed for about a week.

Meanwhile, police fearing or the safety of Chase and Cole contacted the Department of Children and Family Services, which took the Hakkens' children into custody.
If the person is high or drunk and talking about suicide/Armageddon with small children present do you think that by extension they are going to kill the children too, or just leave them behind to face all hell on earth?
In the past when statements like these are made you get a Heaven's Gate or Jones Towns type situation. To be a police officer and not act on the possibility of the danger toward the children would be a different article which reads, "Police had opportunity to stop toddler slaying and failed!"

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Meanwhile, court documents released Friday state that Mr Hakken has previously planned to commit suicide and discussed taking 'a journey to Armageddon,' Tampa Bay Timesreported.
According to Louisiana police, Patricia Hauser noticed that her son-in-law had a gun when he came to her house to kidnap the children, and before he left she heard him say: 'Phase one completed. Ready for phase two.'
The sheriff's office issued a warrant for the arrest of Joshua Hakken, who faces two counts of kidnapping, two counts child neglect, two counts false imprisonment, one count burglary with a battery and one count grand theft auto, TBO.com reported.


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Arrested for drug possession, suicidal threats and erratic behavior is what got the children taken away not his anti-government beliefs.


He (primarily, but the wife too) put the children at risk, their safety comes first. Being physically abused isn't the only type of abuse that can affect a child. Erratic unstable parent/s can affect a child's development just as much a physical violence.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

Govmnt needs to back the **** off. Thats the point !! Period. End of story.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

View PostMabon, on 08 April 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

From the Daily Mail article.

If the person is high or drunk and talking about suicide/Armageddon with small children present do you think that by extension they are going to kill the children too, or just leave them behind to face all hell on earth?
In the past when statements like these are made you get a Heaven's Gate or Jones Towns type situation. To be a police officer and not act on the possibility of the danger toward the children would be a different article which reads, "Police had opportunity to stop toddler slaying and failed!"




Arrested for drug possession, suicidal threats and erratic behavior is what got the children taken away not his anti-government beliefs.


He (primarily, but the wife too) put the children at risk, their safety comes first. Being physically abused isn't the only type of abuse that can affect a child. Erratic unstable parent/s can affect a child's development just as much a physical violence.



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At that point, the police officer did the right thing.   Too risky to do nothing.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:21 PM

View PostMabon, on 08 April 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

From the Daily Mail article.

If the person is high or drunk and talking about suicide/Armageddon with small children present do you think that by extension they are going to kill the children too, or just leave them behind to face all hell on earth?
In the past when statements like these are made you get a Heaven's Gate or Jones Towns type situation. To be a police officer and not act on the possibility of the danger toward the children would be a different article which reads, "Police had opportunity to stop toddler slaying and failed!"




Arrested for drug possession, suicidal threats and erratic behavior is what got the children taken away not his anti-government beliefs.


He (primarily, but the wife too) put the children at risk, their safety comes first. Being physically abused isn't the only type of abuse that can affect a child. Erratic unstable parent/s can affect a child's development just as much a physical violence.



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Im gonna have to go ahead and call BS on all this. Why were police at this "anti government railly" to begin with? This is what is happening to anyone who knows what crimes this government is up to. Its easy to sniff out the BS. They admitted they only found one joint on the guy, yet somehow he was charged with "multiple drug charges" for having one joint? That is a person who was targeted by police. How do you spend a week in jail for a violation equal to a traffic violation?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:24 PM

Oh and you just gotta love the "he had a gun" crap. So what? If he had it illegaly they would have thrown the book at him. They are doing everything they can to demonize patriots. They are disarming and terrorising vets. Damn near everything that comes outta these peoples mouths are lies. They will say anything about anyone who dares stand in thier way.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:34 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 08 April 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

Im gonna have to go ahead and call BS on all this. Why were police at this "anti government railly" to begin with? This is what is happening to anyone who knows what crimes this government is up to. Its easy to sniff out the BS. They admitted they only found one joint on the guy, yet somehow he was charged with "multiple drug charges" for having one joint? That is a person who was targeted by police. How do you spend a week in jail for a violation equal to a traffic violation?

The article states

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Detective Daniel Seuzeneau, with the Slidell Police Department, told WGNOthat Joshua Hakken had first appeared on their radar in June 17, 2012, after causing disturbance inside a hotel that was the site of an anti-government rally.


: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2PsGndgb0




Most likely the hotel staff or a guest called the police because of their erratic behavior. Hotels do this all the time with drunk, high and unruly guests.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

View PostMabon, on 08 April 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

The article states



Most likely the hotel staff or a guest called the police because of their erratic behavior. Hotels do this all the time with drunk, high and unruly guests.

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Na he probably just paid for the room in cash, and the hotel as instructed by homeland security reported this terroristic behavor. Probably was wearing some levi jeans, or might have yawned while waiting for his key, which homeland instructed them was a near sure sign of terrorism.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:48 PM

This is right up there with CNN reporting, and I kid you not, that 90% of gun owners own guns cause they are racists. Or that not one single white person voted against 0bama for anything other then race.

Edited by preacherman76, 08 April 2013 - 12:49 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 08 April 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Govmnt needs to back the **** off. Thats the point !! Period. End of story.

Yeah like they should have backed off of Jim Jones and Warren Jeff Steeds. I'm sorry but you cant take a story where the CPS did the wrong thing, make an allusion to his anti-government rants and claim thats why he took his kids away. They were at risk.

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