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Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies


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#211    TSS

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:23 AM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 14 April 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

Over a dozen South American and South East Asian  leaders (before they were overthrown by the U.S...).

I don't believe that - as I don't see a single system out there that can work for the benefit of all the electorate. I can't think of any system that isn't either stifling someone for the overall good of others, or forgetting some to concentrate on others.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:38 AM

View PostSky Scanner, on 14 April 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

I don't believe that - as I don't see a single system out there that can work for the benefit of all the electorate. I can't think of any system that isn't either stifling someone for the overall good of others, or forgetting some to concentrate on others.

In a country high in poverty (the countries I was referring to), the socialism introduced to benefit the average man at the expense of big business actually does result in politicians having  huge, widespread popularity. No, you will never please all people in any society, but some of the most popular social revolutions in third world and developing countries has resulted in popularity for politicians and parties that is unheard of in countries like Britain and the U.S., who are split by the usual silly party politics. When most people are poor (nearly all people), then a system designed to empower such people is inherently popular.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 14 April 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

In a country high in poverty (the countries I was referring to), the socialism introduced to benefit the average man at the expense of big business actually does result in politicians having huge, widespread popularity. No, you will never please all people in any society, but some of the most popular social revolutions in third world and developing countries has resulted in popularity for politicians and parties that is unheard of in countries like Britain and the U.S., who are split by the usual silly party politics. When most people are poor (nearly all people), then a system designed to empower such people is inherently popular.
On that subject, it's amusing to see how reviled Hugo Chavez was, particularly by the U.S., for being a Deranged and Mad Dictator, and then remember how friendly the beloved Lady was with Augusto Pinochet, who was, of course, a man with whom we could do business.
Sticking to your principles of standing up against Evil Tyrants there, eh, Lady.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:05 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 14 April 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

On that subject, it's amusing to see how reviled Hugo Chavez was, particularly by the U.S., for being a Deranged and Mad Dictator, and then remember how friendly the beloved Lady was with Augusto Pinochet, who was, of course, a man with whom we could do business.
Sticking to your principles of standing up against Evil Tyrants there, eh, Lady.

Yes, and who can forget Tony Blairs desert love-in with Gadafi a few years back.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:14 AM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 14 April 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

Yes, and who can forget Tony Blairs desert love-in with Gadafi a few years back.
Indeed, I don't know if the man is delivering a eulogy over the great woman, but the two of them had very much in common, politically and ethically.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:13 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 14 April 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

In a country high in poverty (the countries I was referring to), the socialism introduced to benefit the average man at the expense of big business actually does result in politicians having  huge, widespread popularity. No, you will never please all people in any society, but some of the most popular social revolutions in third world and developing countries has resulted in popularity for politicians and parties that is unheard of in countries like Britain and the U.S., who are split by the usual silly party politics. When most people are poor (nearly all people), then a system designed to empower such people is inherently popular.

The name of the system you are looking for is called Communism. Marxist.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:50 AM

Perhaps i'm old school, but i think if you can't say something nice in the week that any die, then don't say anything at all, i don't think song below helps her family who are not connected to her political career, so for that reason i feel it was in bad taste!




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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:21 AM

I know that Thatcher brings up emotion one way or another, but to call her a witch is comical in English political origins, many of the early members of The Fabian Society, the forerunner of the U.K Labour Party were associated with the hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and Helena Blavatsky of the Theosophical society fame, they all went to dinner with each other and discussed politics in one of the few vegetarian restuarants in London plus with Gandhi in around 1888, i'm not knocking, but is funny with who is calling Thatcher a witch ha ha!


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:10 AM

I'm neutral, but no doubt thatcherites will be waiting for Lord Mandelson's demise who was called the Prince of Darkness, perhaps an Alice Cooper song would be jazzed up to fit ha ha!









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