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#16    Taun

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 09 April 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Two full sized planets colliding would leave no marks - it would obliterate both of them! - They might reform millions of years later - but there would be no craters from that collision...

ok apply this to your original question


and "two full size planets" whatever that mean can collide without being obliterated

if a smaller planet hits a bigger planets they both will have chunks exploded off and then reform and may become partner moons/planets

collisions happen everyday in space b

It's not billiards... If two planets come close enough together to actually, physically hit, they will draw into each other by gravity, and because they would be on converging courses..This usually doesn't happen to asterooids or other vastly smaller objects, because their gravity is weak enough that it does not overcome their differing vectors and velocity...  Two planets (bodies with a mass of around 5x1024  - like the Earth for example) would pull each other in and they would actually 'course correct' toward each other...  A Mars sized planet (for example) would not just hit and bounce off of a Venus sized planet, and then both start orbiting each other.... If it was a 'grazing blow' then both would be essentially destroyed and they would form a large debris field that would then either reform a single planet or form an asteroid belt...

One prominent theory of our moons formation is that a Mars sized planet (called Theia by some) collided with a Venus sized planet ("Earth")... The resultant collision smashed both, and ejected a sizable chunk of the lighter surface material which formed a debris field around the two smashed planets.... The temperature of the planets rose to in excess of 7000 degrees and melted the two cores together, as well as fusing the material from both into the planet we have today... The debris field reformed as the moon...


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

View PostTaun, on 09 April 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

It's not billiards... If two planets come close enough together to actually, physically hit, they will draw into each other by gravity, and because they would be on converging courses..This usually doesn't happen to asterooids or other vastly smaller objects, because their gravity is weak enough that it does not overcome their differing vectors and velocity...  Two planets (bodies with a mass of around 5x1024  - like the Earth for example) would pull each other in and they would actually 'course correct' toward each other...  A Mars sized planet (for example) would not just hit and bounce off of a Venus sized planet, and then both start orbiting each other.... If it was a 'grazing blow' then both would be essentially destroyed and they would form a large debris field that would then either reform a single planet or form an asteroid belt...

One prominent theory of our moons formation is that a Mars sized planet (called Theia by some) collided with a Venus sized planet ("Earth")... The resultant collision smashed both, and ejected a sizable chunk of the lighter surface material which formed a debris field around the two smashed planets.... The temperature of the planets rose to in excess of 7000 degrees and melted the two cores together, as well as fusing the material from both into the planet we have today... The debris field reformed as the moon...

yes "theia" was also in the orbit of jupiter
and collided with earth on the way out of jupiter's gravitational pull

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:25 PM

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 09 April 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

yes "theia" was also in the orbit of jupiter
and collided with earth on the way out of jupiter's gravitational pull

I'm starting to think you're just having fun with us now...

I'm out of here...


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:58 PM

View PostTaun, on 09 April 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I'm starting to think you're just having fun with us now...

I'm out of here...

sensible choice, hes just one of those who likes to yank peoples cranks... like he did in the ET forums..

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:38 PM

View Postseeder, on 09 April 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

sensible choice, hes just one of those who likes to yank peoples cranks... like he did in the ET forums..

u manage to follow me?

you must be orbiting me huh?

im bout to throw you into the star

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 09 April 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

u manage to follow me?

you must be orbiting me huh?

im bout to throw you into the star

follow you? hell no, of all people. Unlike yourself I do visit and follow many threads...some just for the cringe and entertainment factor, like yours....I don't just obsess about moons/planets etc


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostMR.Blueprint, on 09 April 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

u manage to follow me?

you must be orbiting me huh?

im bout to throw you into the star

Im thinking that most people are visiting your threads because its simply FUN.... COMEDY GOLD really. I have showed friends parts of it.... they are laughing like crazy... some just shaking their heads.... blaming the US school system.

The educational value comes from the counter posts to your wacky ideas.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:25 PM

I repeat what I posted on the ET forums:

I feel a little sorry for the OPer here.

There are a lot of assumptions in this thread, a lot of which assumes, and has been stated, that the formation of the solar system is well understood.  In actual fact it is not, the formation of planetary systems is very much still a big mystery.  This is why Astronomers pay a lot of attention to young systems in the hope they can gain a little understanding of how those systems are forming, and any models of how the Solar System formed are pure theory.

Clearly the OPer lacks some fundamental understanding here of how certain aspects of physics work, but no one here can argue 100% against their theory.  Why is it so inconcievable that a rocky body orbiting Jupiter wasnt knocked closer to the sun, perhaps in that journey this body fragmented further creating all the inner planets and forming the asteroid belt?

Dont get me wrong, I am not supporting the OP's statement, I do believe we have a good theoretical model of the formation of the Solar System, however I feel I need to speak out against some of the conceit I have witnessed in this thread.  Anyone who has a little understanding of Physics, particularly Relativity should know that pretty much anything is possible within these realms.

A note to the OPer:  Dont assume your theory is the correct one, it takes a truly intelligent person to happily accept their theory is incorrect, becuase every theory that is proven wrong takes us a step closer to knowing the truth.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:33 PM

I'm not quite sure why you have sympathy for the OP here; it is all just attention getting.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 April 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

I'm not quite sure why you have sympathy for the OP here; it is all just attention getting.

:tu:    Precisely. Is it 3 or 4 threads he started where he cross posts the same questions? Then dismisses everyones inputs..

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

Please dont encourage him any more


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostDBunker, on 09 April 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

Im thinking that most people are visiting your threads because its simply FUN.... COMEDY GOLD really. I have showed friends parts of it.... they are laughing like crazy... some just shaking their heads.... blaming the US school system.

The educational value comes from the counter posts to your wacky ideas.

Hey now, I happen to be a product of the US education system and you don't see me parading my ignorance in front of everyone. I have self respect and like to keep my ignorance well hidden, like most people. :D

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

Isn't this just a continuation of that stupid Jupiter thread in the ET section? :td:


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:49 PM

View Postphantasia, on 10 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Isn't this just a continuation of that stupid Jupiter thread in the ET section? :td:

More like a re-run.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:33 PM

Well thank you Taun for given a reply I could use. I agree that just because because Earth was created beyond Jupiter and pulled into the inner solar system by Jupiter, it wouldn't mean that Earth was orbiting Jupiter and therefor a moon of Jupiter. To the rest of the people who has replied in this thread. Are you serious? Instead of bashing Mr. Blueprint and taking the p*** out of him why don't you try to give an educated reply to his Theory that Earth was a moon of Jupiter. The only person who did that was Taun.

Is it because you can't or because you don't want to?

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Edited by Scepticus, 10 April 2013 - 07:36 PM.

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