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#31    kmt_sesh

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:34 PM

Hi, third_eye

I am not as well versed on the Assyrians as I am on Egypt, but from what I recall the cross in this context is indeed a symbol of Shamash, the Assyrian god of the sun and justice. Assyria demonstrates the typical phenomena of absorbing neighboring deities into their own pantheon, so as with Mesopotamian cultures down through time, many of the same deities make countless appearances on monuments down through time, albeit often under different names (depending on the Semitic dialect being spoken).

That numerous Assyrian kings folded the names of deities into their own names is not unique. These names are called theophoric and tended to be common in the ancient Near East.

I have to wonder about the two images in your OP, however. Not being there to read the label copy in that museum, I question how they're being described. Both images show the typical motifs of kings, meaning such things as the "fez" hat, head sash, and rosettes. However, I'm not seeing anything distinctly identifiable as a deity, such as horns protruding from the headgear or rays of light rising from the shoulders (very common in Assyrian iconography). I could be wrong, of course, but I have to wonder if both are images of Assyrian kings—if not the same king.

I have no idea what monk56 means by "corruption of religious thesis." In any cases both stelae appear very Assyrian to me.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:20 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 11 April 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Hi, third_eye

I am not as well versed on the Assyrians as I am on Egypt, but from what I recall the cross in this context is indeed a symbol of Shamash, the Assyrian god of the sun and justice. Assyria demonstrates the typical phenomena of absorbing neighboring deities into their own pantheon, so as with Mesopotamian cultures down through time, many of the same deities make countless appearances on monuments down through time, albeit often under different names (depending on the Semitic dialect being spoken).

That numerous Assyrian kings folded the names of deities into their own names is not unique. These names are called theophoric and tended to be common in the ancient Near East.

I have to wonder about the two images in your OP, however. Not being there to read the label copy in that museum, I question how they're being described. Both images show the typical motifs of kings, meaning such things as the "fez" hat, head sash, and rosettes. However, I'm not seeing anything distinctly identifiable as a deity, such as horns protruding from the headgear or rays of light rising from the shoulders (very common in Assyrian iconography). I could be wrong, of course, but I have to wonder if both are images of Assyrian kings—if not the same king.

I have no idea what monk56 means by "corruption of religious thesis." In any cases both stelae appear very Assyrian to me.

That's what got me thinking too, the common motif I could make out at first was the 'cross' on the chest, the rest of the iconography is similar and seems to be the same now, after further examination ... can't tell for sure currently but as of now I am leaning towards kings and not gods.

Translation of The Standard Inscription of Ashurnasirpal : link
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....... The former city of Kalhu [Nimrud], which Shalmaneser king of Assyria, a prince who preceded me, had built, that city had fallen into ruins and lay deserted. That city I built anew, I took the peoples whom my hand had conquered from the lands which I subjugated, from the land of Suhi, from the land of Laqe, from the city of Sirqu on the other side of the Euphrates, from the furthest extent of the land of Zamua, from Bit-Adini and the land of Hatte, and from Lubarna, king of the land of Patina, and made them settle there.
I removed the ancient mound and dug down to the water level. I sank the foundations 120 brick courses deep. A palace with halls of cedar, cypress, juniper, box-wood, meskannu-wood, terebinth and tamarisk, I founded as my royal residence for my lordly pleasure for ever.
Creatures of the mountains and seas I fashioned in white limestone and alabaster, and set them up at its gates. I adorned it, and made it glorious, and set ornamental knobs of bronze all around it. I fixed doors of cedar, cypress, juniper and meskannu-wood in its gates. I took in great quantities, and placed there, silver, gold, tin, bronze and iron, booty taken by my hands from the lands which I had conquered. (Looklex Encyclopedia)

I'm not too fond of the The Standard Inscription of Ashurnasirpal 'translation' above either.

AS long as I can narrow it down to 'Assyrian' it makes things easier so that I can cross match reference the symbols to current research.

I don't think the 'pine cone' that I was searching for and the 'bee hive' that Mr Harte mentions is a representation of the same thing...
eg : top view and side view though I can't say for sure I've isolated it as a definite match to what or which god.

It is somewhat curios to me though, that the 'maltese cross' isn't mentioned much at all ... anywhere, it seems its as natural as a four leaf clover. :lol:

Thanks for the point to boss :tu:

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:46 AM

Sadly, I don't know anything more about the cross motif and cannot comment on it authoritatively. I would definitely not see it as "religious corruption," however. It is a known motif from ancient Assyria, and as far as that goes the cross-shape is a common symbol among cultures from all over the world.

I have to ask, third_eye, what Star Gate New Age sites were you visiting and what were they saying there? Come on, we all need a laugh. :w00t:

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:46 AM

Kmt, you kind of join what I said earlier in the thread, both stela's depict an Assyrian king, in a rather worshippong position with the symbols of their gods in front of them. In my opinion (and the British Museum's opinion it seems) they are not depicting the same king.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:00 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 12 April 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

~snipped

I have to ask, third_eye, what Star Gate New Age sites were you visiting and what were they saying there? Come on, we all need a laugh. :w00t:

You try typing 'Babylonian Gods and Kings' in google and see what you get .... :w00t:

Well if you're into that sort of things :lol:
It all started a week or two ago with the third eye thread here which led me to http://www.crystalin...deyepineal.html
which in turn led me to http://www.crystalin...om/babylon.html

say what you will 'bout their beliefs but http://www.crystalin...om/ancient.html is a pretty good page which pretty much covers the gamut of ancient Civs

For someone that likes to write (poetry and shorts) its a helpful resource for fresh ideas .

http://www.crystalin...directory2.html <- why ... its almost an encyclopedia :yes: it is


case in point :
this is the best pic of this sculpture I've ever seen
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I wonder where they sourced it ....


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Edited by third_eye, 12 April 2013 - 10:03 AM.

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
'

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third_eye ' s cavern ~ bring own beer


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:08 AM

Wow ... I didn't have no idea .... :lol:

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Simply put, Crystalinks is perhaps the largest, most comprehensive and ambitious metaphysical and science website on the Internet today, a journey taken by millions of visitors each month that is spiritually, mentally and emotionally in tune with its readers' lifestyles, needs, zeitgeist and the transcendental quest of humanity. Ellie's meticulous files, archives and articles cover an abundance of diverse, current and relevant topics. A search engine and directory allows the reader to find answers to their most pressing concerns, such as: "What is my mission? Where are we going as a race? Are we destined for evolutionary change?" People have remarked that no matter what they are searching for, regardless of the topic, all roads ultimately lead to Crystalinks.


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In August 2006, Ellie presented her theories of creation at the United Nations - UNSRC.
Ellie was a special guest on the History Channel presentation, "The Lost Book of Nostradamus" which premiered on October 27, 2007. Throughout the years, Ellie has made guest appearances on CBS, Fox, UPN news, as well as endless live radio and Internet talk shows.
Ellie has received honorable mention in the New York Times, along with John Edward, as Psychic Mediums channeling artist Andy Warhol at Serendipity restaurant, in New York City. Ellie was a pioneer in the subject of crop circles. In fact, she brought the topic into the public square by organizing a special event in 1995 at Madison Square Garden that featured world renowned researcher and author, Colin Andrews.

http://www.crystalinks.com/bio.html

well ... this ain't no backyard operation this .... :lol:

~Edit : another surprise ....

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three guesses on where this pic was taken .... link

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I never knew .... :lol:

you're right boss ........ this IS fun

Edited by third_eye, 12 April 2013 - 10:19 AM.

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
'

GIFTS WITH NO GIVER - a love affair with truth ~ Poems by Nirmala

third_eye ' s cavern ~ bring own beer


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:22 AM

View PostTheSearcher, on 12 April 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Kmt, you kind of join what I said earlier in the thread, both stela's depict an Assyrian king, in a rather worshippong position with the symbols of their gods in front of them. In my opinion (and the British Museum's opinion it seems) they are not depicting the same king.

right on the button mate ...... not same king but related ......

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
'

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third_eye ' s cavern ~ bring own beer


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:22 AM

Third_eye, I think this is your "Stargate" connection:

http://www.theliving...Mount_Meru.html
And scroll down ("What's in a Symbol?")

Or:
http://redicecreatio...cle.php?id=5248

B)


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Edited by Abramelin, 12 April 2013 - 10:36 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:30 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 12 April 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

Third_eye, I think this is your "Stargate" coonnection:

http://www.theliving...Mount_Meru.html
And scroll down ("What's in a Symbol?")

Or:
http://redicecreatio...cle.php?id=5248

B)


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:lol: thanks Abe ...... but you misunderstand me .... stargates is the very thing I'm trying to filter out

But the red ice site does look better these days .... thanks as usual :tu:

the academics do seems to ignore the cross it seems to me ...

are you familiar with this one : The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ The Original Text of Nicolas Notovitch's 1887 Discovery ?
mine is a Project Gutenberg pdf copy

Edited by third_eye, 12 April 2013 - 10:32 AM.

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
'

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third_eye ' s cavern ~ bring own beer


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:36 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 12 April 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

:lol: thanks Abe ...... but you misunderstand me .... stargates is the very thing I'm trying to filter out

But the red ice site does look better these days .... thanks as usual :tu:

the academics do seems to ignore the cross it seems to me ...

are you familiar with this one : The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ The Original Text of Nicolas Notovitch's 1887 Discovery ?
mine is a Project Gutenberg pdf copy

Yes, and if I remember well, it's about a "Saint Issa".


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 12 April 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Yes, and if I remember well, it's about a "Saint Issa".

third eyes do brings me places it seems ... eh ?

honestly ... I've never been so psyched up in ages ... ideas ... ideas ... ideas ...

I need a drink .....

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
'

GIFTS WITH NO GIVER - a love affair with truth ~ Poems by Nirmala

third_eye ' s cavern ~ bring own beer


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:35 PM

My explanation will take some time, but i'm glad to see Third Eye is taking care now of Thesis, my purpose is showing ancient concepts still there in modern politics, i will be slow showing this, with analysis Harte, Kmt sesh and you come to the Pine Cone and Bee Hive.

Point Number one, know the symbolism regarding ancient cults in bringing this forward into modern politics!

In symbolism the Pine Cone is PHI, link below:-

http://www.dyarrow.org/phi/phi5.htm

The Bee Hive in religious cults has rich symbolism, Harte didn't find a link did he?  I will, it is below:-

http://www.freemason...qc/beehive.html

Please understand symbolism!

Ending this first thread section of many Kmt sesh, you have failed to note "Throne Name (praenomen)" with Pharaohs and hieroglyphs, we will get to god star philosophy later! i will explain be of little doubt!

http://en.wikipedia...._royal_titulary

Just throwing something to you, why "The BeeHive" in "New Zealand Politics", i can explain, can you????

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:42 PM

Why do you mention Harte and Kmt_sesh in about every post of yours?

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:53 PM

Hi Abramerlin,

I mention Harte and Kmt sesh, because they have great knowledge on this forum, but i also have knowledge, we respect but debate, thus reason for this forum!


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

God Stars are Goats Head Soup, obviously we think of location just outside Baghdad as Cradle of Philosophy, but Persia is a big place with this soup, obviously the Egyptian Philosophy came slightly after, but i have no idea who influenced who in TRADE, when you have trade then religious ideas are exchanged!

First Point Tishtrya, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishtrya

This shows Flooding, perhaps more in tune with Egyptian Myths and Crops along the Nile, as Sirius was used in ancient Egypt for crops, we all know that, so i say perhaps corruption in location, i have no idea who started myth first, perhaps Egyptians, but might have been Persia...please debate!





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