Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


- - - - -

Johnny Rotten scolds haters


  • Please log in to reply
70 replies to this topic

#46    TSS

TSS

    Observer

  • Closed
  • 5,750 posts
  • Joined:30 Jun 2008

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:22 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

It was the first thing that sprang to mind(what he is mainly remembered for?).
Also interesting to me is the fact that you mentioned my assessment of Dennis rather than that of the two living members of the family.

I'm surprised you found that interesting, since their history is well documented, hence me not commentating......but then i'm not the one passing comment one way or another on another persons funeral.


#47    ouija ouija

ouija ouija

    undead

  • Member
  • 13,373 posts
  • Joined:20 Oct 2011
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:U.K.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:26 PM

View PostSetton, on 12 April 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

And yet the people kept voting her in after she carried out her ideas. Ergo, they probably were the will of the people.
But that's not how it works is it? We have two 'parties' to choose from and they are as bad as each other. The promises that are made immediately before an election are rarely/never kept and yet the British public still think along the lines of it being their 'duty' to vote(although the number who do is decreasing every year). The MPs say whatever it takes to get them elected and then once in office they totally disregard the petitions and interests of the populace.

What, in all the world, could I do to earn my living and still live as myself, as I knew myself to be? Temporary masks, I knew, had their place; everyone was wearing them, they were the human rage; but not masks cemented in place until the wearer could not breathe and was eventually suffocated.

#48    zebra99

zebra99

    Apparition

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 330 posts
  • Joined:02 May 2010
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

View Postlittle_dreamer, on 11 April 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:


John Cleese did an amusing TV commercial in the US, though I can't even remember the product he was selling.

I hope it was better directed than his ads over here..his efforts over the past few years have been pathetic,wooden, and unfunny.I don't think Cleese is in demand much anymore...his ads show no signs of the brilliance he radiated in Fawlty Towers or Python.

Posted Image

#49    ouija ouija

ouija ouija

    undead

  • Member
  • 13,373 posts
  • Joined:20 Oct 2011
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:U.K.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostSky Scanner, on 12 April 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

I'm surprised you found that interesting, since their history is well documented, hence me not commentating......but then i'm not the one passing comment one way or another on another persons funeral.
Not sure what your point is.

What, in all the world, could I do to earn my living and still live as myself, as I knew myself to be? Temporary masks, I knew, had their place; everyone was wearing them, they were the human rage; but not masks cemented in place until the wearer could not breathe and was eventually suffocated.

#50    TSS

TSS

    Observer

  • Closed
  • 5,750 posts
  • Joined:30 Jun 2008

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:29 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

But that's not how it works is it? We have two 'parties' to choose from and they are as bad as each other. The promises that are made immediately before an election are rarely/never kept and yet the British public still think along the lines of it being their 'duty' to vote(although the number who do is decreasing every year). The MPs say whatever it takes to get them elected and then once in office they totally disregard the petitions and interests of the populace.

Policies that the entire populace agree with isn't how it works either - so no matter how much you dislike the women you can't complain she wasn't doing what the will of the people wanted, you can only say she didn't do what you wanted.


#51    TSS

TSS

    Observer

  • Closed
  • 5,750 posts
  • Joined:30 Jun 2008

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

Not sure what your point is.

My point was that in giving your examples to justify disrespecting a funeral you chose the fact the husband of alcoholism, that speaks volumes to me.


#52    Setton

Setton

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,571 posts
  • Joined:05 Feb 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Durham, England

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:32 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

But that's not how it works is it? We have two 'parties' to choose from and they are as bad as each other. The promises that are made immediately before an election are rarely/never kept and yet the British public still think along the lines of it being their 'duty' to vote(although the number who do is decreasing every year). The MPs say whatever it takes to get them elected and then once in office they totally disregard the petitions and interests of the populace.

Perhaps we can imagine the British public have some sense for a moment. In that case, they know as well as you or I that pre-election promises are rarely kept and will therefore re-elect someone based on what they have done in office. So this only supports what I already said - she represented the will of the majority of the people. That's what democracy is.

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

The Falklands War: population of Falkland Islands = 2,841. Number of British personnel killed: 255. Estimated cost of war: £2.8 BILLION!

Thatcher, the friend and protector of General Pinochet ........ that well known butcher of Chilean citizens.

So in one sentence you criticise her for preventing an invasion of people who (democratically) wish to be British and in the next you criticise her for supporting a dictator.

One or the other, you can't have it both ways. Personally, I think she was right on the Falklands and wrong on Pinochet. You?

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
'No, murder is running your broadsword through someone because he worships a different God to you... Or is that evangelism? I get confused.'
When they discover the centre of the universe, a lot of people are going to be disappointed - They are not it.
I don't object to the concept of a deity but I'm baffled by the notion of one that takes attendance.

#53    ouija ouija

ouija ouija

    undead

  • Member
  • 13,373 posts
  • Joined:20 Oct 2011
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:U.K.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:35 PM

View PostSky Scanner, on 12 April 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

Policies that the entire populace agree with isn't how it works either - so no matter how much you dislike the women you can't complain she wasn't doing what the will of the people wanted, you can only say she didn't do what you wanted.

View PostSky Scanner, on 12 April 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

My point was that in giving your examples to justify disrespecting a funeral you chose the fact the husband of alcoholism, that speaks volumes to me.
I must be tired because you're not making sense to me.

What, in all the world, could I do to earn my living and still live as myself, as I knew myself to be? Temporary masks, I knew, had their place; everyone was wearing them, they were the human rage; but not masks cemented in place until the wearer could not breathe and was eventually suffocated.

#54    TSS

TSS

    Observer

  • Closed
  • 5,750 posts
  • Joined:30 Jun 2008

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

I must be tired because you're not making sense to me.

I'll make it simpler then:

You said that Prime MInisters should do what the will of the people is (I don't agree with that, they sell an idea and see who goes with it, but that's not the point)...they don't do what the will of all the people is in every policy, they do what the will of those that voted for them is (assuming they want re-electing).

You talk of showing no respect for her funeral (fair enough) but when asked the respect her family at this time you give an example of her husband being an alcoholic as a reason for opinion on her family.

If that isn't the case then can you explain what you meant?

Edited by Sky Scanner, 12 April 2013 - 10:42 PM.


#55    ouija ouija

ouija ouija

    undead

  • Member
  • 13,373 posts
  • Joined:20 Oct 2011
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:U.K.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

View PostSetton, on 12 April 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

Perhaps we can imagine the British public have some sense for a moment. In that case, they know as well as you or I that pre-election promises are rarely kept and will therefore re-elect someone based on what they have done in office. So this only supports what I already said - she represented the will of the majority of the people. That's what democracy is.
So in one sentence you criticise her for preventing an invasion of people who (democratically) wish to be British and in the next you criticise her for supporting a dictator.
One or the other, you can't have it both ways. Personally, I think she was right on the Falklands and wrong on Pinochet. You?
I believe I can have it both ways: if the Falkland Islanders wanted to be British, what are they doing on an island within spitting distance of Argentina? They must know that at regular intervals they are going to be the cause of argument. I wonder how they feel about exacting such a price from their fellow Brits for their right to call themselves British? And of course she was wrong regarding Pinochet.

What, in all the world, could I do to earn my living and still live as myself, as I knew myself to be? Temporary masks, I knew, had their place; everyone was wearing them, they were the human rage; but not masks cemented in place until the wearer could not breathe and was eventually suffocated.

#56    ouija ouija

ouija ouija

    undead

  • Member
  • 13,373 posts
  • Joined:20 Oct 2011
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:U.K.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:48 PM

View PostSky Scanner, on 12 April 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

I'll make it simpler then:

You said that Prime MInisters should do what the will of the people is (I don't agree with that, they sell an idea and see who goes with it, but that's not the point)...they don't do what the will of all the people is in every policy, they do what the will of those that voted for them is (assuming they want re-electing).

You talk of showing no respect for her funeral (fair enough) but when asked the respect her family at this time you give an example of her husband being an alcoholic as a reason for opinion on her family.

If that isn't the case then can you explain what you meant?
If the Government is not facilitating the will of the people then we are not living in a Democracy ...... and we obviously aren't.

Yes, because he was a member of that family. Sorry, still not getting your point on alcoholism, and why it 'speaks volumes' to you.

What, in all the world, could I do to earn my living and still live as myself, as I knew myself to be? Temporary masks, I knew, had their place; everyone was wearing them, they were the human rage; but not masks cemented in place until the wearer could not breathe and was eventually suffocated.

#57    TSS

TSS

    Observer

  • Closed
  • 5,750 posts
  • Joined:30 Jun 2008

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:51 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

If the Government is not facilitating the will of the people then we are not living in a Democracy ...... and we obviously aren't.

Yes, because he was a member of that family. Sorry, still not getting your point on alcoholism, and why it 'speaks volumes' to you.

They did, the will of the people that voted them in - that's how democracy works, you might not like it, but that's neither here nor there.

It speaks volumes to me because alcoholism is a disease....not an excuse to disrespect someone family at the time of a funeral - do you understand that point?


#58    Setton

Setton

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,571 posts
  • Joined:05 Feb 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Durham, England

Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

I believe I can have it both ways: if the Falkland Islanders wanted to be British, what are they doing on an island within spitting distance of Argentina?

I don't know, living where they have been for generations perhaps? The islands have never belonged to Argentina and, as such they have no claim to them. Chausey isnear England. Does that mean we can just invade whenever we like? No, because they belong to the French.

Quote

They must know that at regular intervals they are going to be the cause of argument.

So they should be forced out of their homes because Argentina wants land it has no right to?

Quote

I wonder how they feel about exacting such a price from their fellow Brits for their right to call themselves British? And of course she was wrong regarding Pinochet.

I imagine they feel honoured people cared enough. And what people seem to forget is that people join the armed forces by choice not conscription. Part of their job is to defend British territory.

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
'No, murder is running your broadsword through someone because he worships a different God to you... Or is that evangelism? I get confused.'
When they discover the centre of the universe, a lot of people are going to be disappointed - They are not it.
I don't object to the concept of a deity but I'm baffled by the notion of one that takes attendance.

#59    ouija ouija

ouija ouija

    undead

  • Member
  • 13,373 posts
  • Joined:20 Oct 2011
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:U.K.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

View PostSky Scanner, on 12 April 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

They did, the will of the people that voted them in - that's how democracy works, you might not like it, but that's neither here nor there.

It speaks volumes to me because alcoholism is a disease....not an excuse to disrespect someone family at the time of a funeral - do you understand that point?
Well, there's direct democracy and there's representative democracy ....... I'm a fan of the former, obviously.
As for whether or not alcoholism is a disease ..... the jury is still out on that.

What, in all the world, could I do to earn my living and still live as myself, as I knew myself to be? Temporary masks, I knew, had their place; everyone was wearing them, they were the human rage; but not masks cemented in place until the wearer could not breathe and was eventually suffocated.

#60    TSS

TSS

    Observer

  • Closed
  • 5,750 posts
  • Joined:30 Jun 2008

Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:12 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 12 April 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Well, there's direct democracy and there's representative democracy ....... I'm a fan of the former, obviously.
As for whether or not alcoholism is a disease ..... the jury is still out on that.

Then you can't accuse a Prime Minister of not following democracy, when we have the latter, not ther former that you'd like.
I'll stick with the AMA on alcoholism, over your view :tu:





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users