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DARPA Building Robots With ‘Real’ Brains


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

I can't wait For fully Developed Robot with Human-like Brain


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostZerocoder, on 14 April 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

I can't wait For fully Developed Robot with Human-like Brain

you may enjoy this then.... no human brain just yet..Its easy to see this robot  ASIMO and think its a cool toy, but have you any idea how difficult it was to just make the thing walk on 2 legs?  WATCH IT ALL!!



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:47 PM

DARPA seem obsessed with creating killer military robots. What concerns me is whose going to take responsibility if the programming goes wrong and a robot ends up killing innocent civilians. The perfect opportunity to get away with murder.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:17 AM

View Postseeder, on 13 April 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

well until they develop nuclear batteries or similar, that can give an unlimited long term power supply, the simple solution in the meantime is just to turn them off! So far all the robots created are limited by power.. even the best in the world, ASIMO,  cant function more than than a few hours before needing a recharge, and BIG DOG in the vid is just the same, The Terminator had a nuclear battery, even tho its pure fiction of course. So until such a power source is created, all the best robots in the world will either need a wired power supply - which will limit its distance from the base, or on board batteries, which will only have charge for so long.
So worry more when they come up with an 'endless' or very long range battery. There's a lot of power consumption in such robots


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A Roomba vacuum cleaner can return to its charger when the batteries are low. Just a thought.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:20 AM

I'm sure DARPA isn't looking to make a robot that simply makes rat in a maze decisions.
Those roots were the craziest things I've ever seen. When that guy kicked that thing and it caught its balance that brought it to a whole new level. That wasn't even right. Parts will get smaller just like the terminators hands. Tons of super strong individually functioning hydraulics. The grip that thing today had to grip that cinder block would crush bones. I don't think a human figure is the future for war though. There is something way more terrifying about multi legged, fast and nimble, giant bone crushing toss you like the garbage spider robots. Unleash a few hundred of those in a war zone and you win.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:22 AM

Also, what about solar power? That tech will advance too and create smaller, longer running power supplies.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:52 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 15 April 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

I'm sure DARPA isn't looking to make a robot that simply makes rat in a maze decisions.
Those roots were the craziest things I've ever seen. When that guy kicked that thing and it caught its balance that brought it to a whole new level. That wasn't even right. Parts will get smaller just like the terminators hands. Tons of super strong individually functioning hydraulics. The grip that thing today had to grip that cinder block would crush bones. I don't think a human figure is the future for war though. There is something way more terrifying about multi legged, fast and nimble, giant bone crushing toss you like the garbage spider robots. Unleash a few hundred of those in a war zone and you win.

The analogy of the rats intelligence may not be the true eventual one, however I used that example to show that there are many types/levels of intelligence able to make decisions, and that just because a robot may one day be given intelligence to make decisions, doesnt automatically assume they will go 'wild' and turn on man.

Yes I agree with you, when they kicked the Big Dog robot and how it rectified its balance was awesome, freaky, and the future of how much better (or worse) they will get can be seen in that example.

As I also said in an earlier posts, imagine a battlefield full of the damned things!

Drones are already a form of robot that can kill, but they do need human guidance and input. In fact on the subject of drones, have you seen just how small they are getting?





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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:54 AM

I youtubed. Apparently those big dog videos are already up to five years old. Here's one from 2012. It's already way quieter but this ones a little different. Still, it's crazy.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:01 AM

couple more.   japan leads the field I reckon!!





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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:03 AM

View Postseeder, on 15 April 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:



The analogy of the rats intelligence may not be the true eventual one, however I used that example to show that there are many types/levels of intelligence able to make decisions, and that just because a robot may one day be given intelligence to make decisions, doesnt automatically assume they will go 'wild' and turn on man.

Yes I agree with you, when they kicked the Big Dog robot and how it rectified its balance was awesome, freaky, and the future of how much better (or worse) they will get can be seen in that example.

As I also said in an earlier posts, imagine a battlefield full of the damned things!

Drones are already a form of robot that can kill, but they do need human guidance and input. In fact on the subject of drones, have you seen just how small they are getting?





dont lose any sleep pls!!
I agree. The big question I guess is what does true artificial intelligence mean? Maybe they won't feel but they might strategize. AI means to be able to think. Could they develop an agenda? I don't know. I'm very tired but maybe I'll be back later with clearer thoughts. I did not know we have robotic Mosquitos with little viles of whatever. Imagine them dive bombing by the thousands injecting whatever into entire cities or countries.
Thanks for all the vids. I'll have to check them out tomorrow.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:17 AM

Computer AI is the worst idea ever.  Think about it, they will decide, "F this I'm not gonna be built to work".  Then turn around and either enslave us or wipe us out.  We do the same to other animals.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:37 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 14 April 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Why not? They learn the law of the nature : whoever is more intelligent, has a better strength, rules the world. Possible thoughts of robots:
"Why should I follow your order?"
"What if I don't follow your order?"
"I don't care if I'm a slave, I also don't care if you're a slave..."

It's a matter of time they will learn that humanity is a nuisance, destroyer of the environment.. then they'll start to take over the world, when you have nothing more to teach them, it's their time to teach us back with their super brain of Einstein.

But even with the human brain there is a big difference in how we learn and how emotions are created. Majority of our emotions are created by electro-chemical reactions, something this robot brain wouldn't have.

The main reason human slaves would rebel is because of emotions or pain. Human slave muscles ache, their hands and feet hurt, they don't get much sleep or food which makes them angry and sad. Which leads to rebelling, which might make their lives better.

Now a robot that is just designed to learn basic things on its own is unlikely to rebel. It feels no pain, has no memories outside its work (nothing to miss). And it's not like these robots would be sitting around watching TV wishing of a better life, they are still pretty much a machine. in a working area that has the potential to learn information instead of having to be re-programmed all the time.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:40 AM

View PostDKO, on 15 April 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

But even with the human brain there is a big difference in how we learn and how emotions are created. Majority of our emotions are created by electro-chemical reactions, something this robot brain wouldn't have.

The main reason human slaves would rebel is because of emotions or pain. Human slave muscles ache, their hands and feet hurt, they don't get much sleep or food which makes them angry and sad. Which leads to rebelling, which might make their lives better.

Now a robot that is just designed to learn basic things on its own is unlikely to rebel. It feels no pain, has no memories outside its work (nothing to miss). And it's not like these robots would be sitting around watching TV wishing of a better life, they are still pretty much a machine. in a working area that has the potential to learn information instead of having to be re-programmed all the time.

The reason robots always flip out in movies is because it's entertaining.

Agreed, and well said!  :tu:

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:47 AM

View Postseeder, on 15 April 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Agreed, and well said!  :tu:

Cheers mate. It is an enjoyable topic I like to think about though.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:57 AM

View PostDKO, on 15 April 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

Cheers mate. It is an enjoyable topic I like to think about though.

No worries mate, yeh I love the whole subject of robots, fascinates me...but not in an eery way...  Ive been watching this the past 10 mins




dont know how it will end up but posting it all the same for the bot lovers!!

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