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#31    supervike

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:41 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 13 April 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

Totally agree except for there being plenty of opposing views. There absolutely are but not on television. Nearly every cable and news channel is liberal. FOX NEWS pretty much stands alone in its brand of reporting. Now there are lots of newspapers and Internet sources that offer all types of variety but if kids are catching anything newsworthy it's likely on TV. Otherwise for papers and Internet you have to actively seek out the news and how many kids do that?

That's why the parents are to blame, moreso than the media.  If we accept (and I don't) that TV is all liberal, then it's up to the parent to offer good counter points to that, encourage discussion with their spawn, and actually listen, not just tell them to go watch TV.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:58 AM

View PostKowalski, on 13 April 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

So with this "logic" of yours, we should also cut off all men's, well, let's say "reproductive organ" because some men use those to rape women.


Another perfect example of this way of thinking. :tu:

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

View Postealdwita, on 13 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Having sat (unwillingly) through most of an epsode of 'Glee' in the past, my sympathies are entirely with the gunman!
The main reason I watched this episode is I thought there might be a shootout with some of the Glee characters.

The gunman was.....
Spoiler

What was funny was that the show also purpetuated the myth that dropping a gun can fire off bullets.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:30 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 13 April 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

[1] Pure paranoia
[2] Who's that, then? North korea? Or are we talking about the UN?
[3] & [4]: perhaps the reason that one needs [so one says] to have Guns to protect oneself from Spree killers is that Guns are so easy to have that any Spree killer or even just someone robbing one's home that one might encounter might well be likely to have one themselves. Self-perpetuating cycle?

It seems facts and historical proof seem to just bounce right off of you. Did the kool-aid you drank make you immune to reality?

I'm talking about any country, any that would at least attempt to occupy mainland US.

Times change and the geopolitical climate is always shifting.

Abraham Lincoln at aged 28 once said in his Lyceum address on January 27th, 1838..

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"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher.

As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."


And why would they never be able to track on the Blue Ridge mountains or drink from the Ohio?

Because of the expansive territory of the US, and because the majority of the US population is armed.

Why? Because our founders designed the population to have the ability to be armed to defend themselves.

Which, again, is why Japan did not dare to invade our country in World War II.

Thus, as Lincoln astutely pointed out, our end as a country would have to be suicide.

In his address he recognizes that the spirit of the Revolution was still apparent (at the time of the address), but that our downfall of a nation would have to be do to suicide, such as an internal conflict that would tear our Republic apart. Then he warned of tyranny from within the American political system, and I quote..

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"It is to deny what the history of the world tells us is true, to suppose that men of ambition and talents will not continue to spring up amongst us. And when they do, they will as naturally seek the gratification of their ruling passion as others have done before them. The question then is, Can that gratification be found in supporting and maintaining an edifice that has been erected by others? Most certainly it cannot. Many great and good men, sufficiently qualified for any task they should undertake, may ever be found whose ambition would aspire to nothing beyond a seat in Congress, a gubernatorial or a presidential chair; but such belong not to the family of the lion or the tribe of the eagle. What! think you these places would satisfy an Alexander, a Caesar, or a Napoleon? Never! Towering genius disdains a beaten path. It seeks regions hitherto unexplored. It sees no distinction in adding story to story upon the monuments of fame erected to the memory of others. It denies that it is glory enough to serve under any chief. It scorns to tread in the footsteps of any predecessor, however illustrious. It thirsts and burns for distinction; and if possible, it will have it, whether at the expense of emancipating slaves or enslaving freemen. Is it unreasonable, then, to expect that some man possessed of the loftiest genius, coupled with ambition sufficient to push it to its utmost stretch, will at some time spring up among us? And when such an one does, it will require the people to be united with each other, attached to the government and laws, and generally intelligent, to successfully frustrate his designs. Distinction will be his paramount object, and although he would as willingly, perhaps more so, acquire it by doing good as harm, yet, that opportunity being past, and nothing left to be done in the way of building up, he would set boldly to the task of pulling down."


Essentially, he warned of ambitious politicians that would enslave the freemen of our country. There will always be another Caesar or Napoleon, willing to conquer, willing to go to lengths to secure their place and their power over the dominion of men they govern. He observed correctly as literally 100 years later in 1938 a man by the name of Adolph Hitler had similar ambition. Only Hitler didn't learn from Napoleon's mistakes by invading Russia in winter. His gaze blinded him from historical facts. Pure paranoia, right?

History is ripe with men of similar nature. That's the cold, hard truth.

Thomas Jefferson once determined that "no freeman shall ever be debarred of his right to bear arms" - so certainly a man without arms and thus the ability to defend himself is not free by design, at least by the designed system of Government set up by our Founders. Lincoln stressed the importance of diligence within the population, as vigilance and intelligence are key to combat a would-be tyrants plans. Unfortunately, most of the population lack these two virtues and you can see where we are now as a country. Make sense?

A self-perpetuating cycle, or a reflection of the natural violence inherent in the human condition?

Edited by Eonwe, 14 April 2013 - 06:47 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:41 AM

How do we protect ourselves from authority

Sittin back drinkin beer watchin the world take it's course.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:49 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 14 April 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

How do we protect ourselves from authority

By exercising the rights they want to undermine.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:50 AM

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Edited by Colonel Rhuairidh, 14 April 2013 - 06:51 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:58 AM

Its is guns that made possible most of the nutcases you now fear... all you are doing is perpetuating the cycle of fear and hatred. Where else in the world do people live in as much fear of their own country men as you do...?


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:00 AM

View PostEonwe, on 14 April 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

It seems facts and historical proof seem to just bounce right off of you. Did the kool-aid you drank make you immune to reality?

I'm talking about any country, any that would at least attempt to occupy mainland US.

Times change and the geopolitical climate is always shifting.

Abraham Lincoln at aged 28 once said in his Lyceum address on January 27th, 1838..




And why would they never be able to track on the Blue Ridge mountains or drink from the Ohio?

Because of the expansive territory of the US, and because the majority of the US population is armed.

Why? Because our founders designed the population to have the ability to be armed to defend themselves.

Which, again, is why Japan did not dare to invade our country in World War II.

Thus, as Lincoln astutely pointed out, our end as a country would have to be suicide.

In his address he recognizes that the spirit of the Revolution was still apparent (at the time of the address), but that our downfall of a nation would have to be do to suicide, such as an internal conflict that would tear our Republic apart. Then he warned of tyranny from within the American political system, and I quote..




Essentially, he warned of ambitious politicians that would enslave the freemen of our country. There will always be another Caesar or Napoleon, willing to conquer, willing to go to lengths to secure their place and their power over the dominion of men they govern. He observed correctly as literally 100 years later in 1938 a man by the name of Adolph Hitler had similar ambition. Only Hitler didn't learn from Napoleon's mistakes by invading Russia in winter. His gaze blinded him from historical facts. Pure paranoia, right?

History is ripe with men of similar nature. That's the cold, hard truth.

Thomas Jefferson once determined that "no freeman shall ever be debarred of his right to bear arms" - so certainly a man without arms and thus the ability to defend himself is not free by design, at least by the designed system of Government set up by our Founders. Lincoln stressed the importance of diligence within the population, as vigilance and intelligence are key to combat a would-be tyrants plans. Unfortunately, most of the population lack these two virtues and you can see where we are now as a country. Make sense?
All of which was more than 200 years ago. But that all still applies in exactly the same way now, because exactly the same circumstances apply, don't they. Like a Foreign army is likely to try to invade the U.S. What's any Foe much more likely to do now? they're much more likely to lob a Nuke, aren't they, they're not likely to land an occupying force that a Citizen's Militia will be able to resist.
Because the People were Armed, that was why Japan did not dare to invade the country in World War II, was it? Wasn't it because Japanese strategy was focussed on knocking out American naval power through a decisive battle, after which they could then negotiate a peace treaty? It was completely logistically impractical to consier invading the U.S., never mind that its Citizens were Armed.
Ah, kool aid, that all purpose weapon of cutting edge satire.


But anyway, there's no point trying to argue about Guns, as it always seems very much like a religious argument, which is perhaps a not inappropriate analogy since the same principles - the belief that something that was set out on tablets of stone a long time ago - still applies unchangingly in perpetuity. it's quite interesting really, but as I said, futile to argue about it, so I'll wish you all a good Day. :yes:

Edited by Colonel Rhuairidh, 14 April 2013 - 07:01 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostSilver Surfer, on 14 April 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Its is guns that made possible most of the nutcases you now fear... all you are doing is perpetuating the cycle of fear and hatred. Where else in the world do people live in as much fear of their own country men as you do...?

no **** sherlock, lol.

you have not noticed, pbly, that fear and hatred is a part of human nature, like love, greed, lies,  etc,
something that exists among humans of ALL times, and something we can't do nothing about.
so keep deny obvious, live in the fantasy world,  and try to build perfect one, and fail doing it everytime, your choice lol.

some have no choice but to live in reality, and have to adjust our ways to reality around us.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:14 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 14 April 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

All of which was more than 200 years ago. But that all still applies in exactly the same way now, because exactly the same circumstances apply, don't they. Like a Foreign army is likely to try to invade the U.S. What's any Foe much more likely to do now? they're much more likely to lob a Nuke, aren't they, they're not likely to land an occupying force that a Citizen's Militia will be able to resist.
Because the People were Armed, that was why Japan did not dare to invade the country in World War II, was it? Wasn't it because Japanese strategy was focussed on knocking out American naval power through a decisive battle, after which they could then negotiate a peace treaty? It was completely logistically impractical to consier invading the U.S., never mind that its Citizens were Armed.
Ah, kool aid, that all purpose weapon of cutting edge satire.


But anyway, there's no point trying to argue about Guns, as it always seems very much like a religious argument, which is perhaps a not inappropriate analogy since the same principles - the belief that something that was set out on tablets of stone a long time ago - still applies unchangingly in perpetuity. it's quite interesting really, but as I said, futile to argue about it, so I'll wish you all a good Day. :yes:

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

View Postaztek, on 14 April 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

no **** sherlock, lol.

you have not noticed, pbly, that fear and hatred is a part of human nature, like love, greed, lies,  etc,
something that exists among humans of ALL times, and something we can't do nothing about.
so keep deny obvious, live in the fantasy world,  and try to build perfect one, and fail doing it everytime, your choice lol.

some have no choice but to live in reality, and have to adjust our ways to reality around us.

Yea well i live in a  country where this is not true... and we can see the bricks you built around yourselves to create your prison of fear. Feel free to keep building it... just an observation really.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:41 AM

View PostEonwe, on 14 April 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

- Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II
Not to mention he knew that Japan didn't possibly have the resources to be able to carry out an amphibious landing over that distance with no intermediate staging points.
Besides, that scenario was hardly a uniquely all-American thing, the concept of an armed resistance, was it; it applied just the same in all occupied countries, France, Yugoslavia, Russia, whether ofr not they may have had any sacred rights enshrined in their Constiution.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:43 AM

View Postaztek, on 14 April 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

no **** sherlock, lol.

you have not noticed, pbly, that fear and hatred is a part of human nature, like love, greed, lies,  etc,
something that exists among humans of ALL times, and something we can't do nothing about.
so keep deny obvious, live in the fantasy world,  and try to build perfect one, and fail doing it everytime, your choice lol.

some have no choice but to live in reality, and have to adjust our ways to reality around us.
possibly it's only a reality, if it is, because people make it so through their own paranoia that anyone they meet might be out to get them. A self perpetuating cycle of fear, again.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

View PostSilver Surfer, on 14 April 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Its is guns that made possible most of the nutcases you now fear... all you are doing is perpetuating the cycle of fear and hatred. Where else in the world do people live in as much fear of their own country men as you do...?
I own guns, always have.  I lose no sleep worrying about anyone troubling myself or my family.  I also don't let the ignorant protestations of those who do not understand my nation or the unalienable rights it was built upon, to cause me any stress.  It mystifies me how the free exercise of my rights as a US citizen so badly worry a person thousands of miles away in a separate, sovereign nation.  There has to be more to it than ignorance, I'm just not sure what the motivation actually is.  Whatever we may have become in our dotage, America helped in very large measure to save the western world once upon a time and we did it with that same gun culture that so many here seem to espise.  I find the whole issue to be curious.

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