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#1    Babe Ruth

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:58 PM

http://tinyurl.com/cnn2c34


President Obama has described the Boston bombing as terrorism, which it is, and it appears the US has been the world's most methodical terrorist for many years running, including Clinton's tactics in Serbia.

Sad read.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:19 PM

Kind of puts things in perspective doesn't it.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:29 PM

Why would the US set a bomb to go off in Boston to kill and mame? This is a act of terror against bystanders what would that prove?


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:34 PM

View Postwolfknight, on 17 April 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Why would the US set a bomb to go off in Boston to kill and mame? This is a act of terror against bystanders what would that prove?
I think the point was the US uses similar tactics in other countries. Unless I missed the point.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:40 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 17 April 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

http://tinyurl.com/cnn2c34


President Obama has described the Boston bombing as terrorism, which it is, and it appears the US has been the world's most methodical terrorist for many years running, including Clinton's tactics in Serbia.

Sad read.

Thanks for posting this. It is a sad read.

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Every news report about the children killed and injured at the finish line in Boston, every account of the horrific loss of limbs, makes me think of a little girl named Guljumma. She was seven years old when I met her at an Afghan refugee camp one day in the summer of 2009.
At the time, I wrote: “Guljumma talked about what happened one morning last year when she was sleeping at home in southern Afghanistan's Helmand Valley. At about 5 a.m., bombs exploded. Some people in her family died. She lost an arm."
In the refugee camp on the outskirts of Kabul, where several hundred families were living in squalid conditions, the U.S. government was providing no help. The last time Guljumma and her father had meaningful contact with the U.S. government was when it bombed them.
War thrives on abstractions, but Guljumma was no abstraction. She was no more or less of an abstraction than the children whose lives have been forever wrecked by the bombing at the Boston finish line.
But the same U.S. news media that are conveying the preciousness of children so terribly harmed in Boston are scarcely interested in children like Guljumma.
I thought of her again when seeing news reports and a chilling photo on April 7, soon after 11 children in eastern Afghanistan were even more unlucky than she was. Those children died from a U.S./NATO air strike. For mainline American journalists, it wasn’t much of a story; for American officials, it was no big deal.
“Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip,” Orwell observed, “but the really well-trained dog is the one that turns his somersault when there is no whip.”



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:52 PM

As the saying goes "You reap what You sow"

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

View Postwolfknight, on 17 April 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Why would the US set a bomb to go off in Boston to kill and mame? This is a act of terror against bystanders what would that prove?

The article is comparing what the US has done in the past to the Boston Bombing and how they act all caring etc for the people in Boston to keep the people sweet, but don't mind doing it in another country and then trying to say it's justice.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

View Postwolfknight, on 17 April 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Why would the US set a bomb to go off in Boston to kill and mame? This is a act of terror against bystanders what would that prove?

As Jeffertonturner and others have pointed out, you seemed to have missed the point.

I am not suggesting that the federal government set the bomb at Boston.  On the contrary, at this point in time it looks to me like some sort of lone wolf type did.

No, the point is that for too many years running now, the US is the world's biggest terrorist AND the world's biggest hypocrite.  We have been killing and maiming innocent civilians for a long time.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

If the US actually was cluster bombing civilian centres on a regular basis, you'd imagine that the author would have been able to come up with a better example than the accidental civilian bombing of Nis by Dutch F-16's.

You'll note, however, that he hasn't.

Edited by Tiggs, 17 April 2013 - 03:57 PM.
Because capital letters at the start of sentences are good.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:30 PM

Also Nato was led by Wesley Clark, Rupert Smith and Javier Solana, only one American in those 3 names.

Nato was backed by Tony Blair, Admiral James O. Ellis, Jr, John Walker Hendrix and lastly Bill Clinton.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:34 PM

I think Normon Solomon is getting confused with the Chinese embassy bombing which the US did hit and was approved By Clinton. So the author in the link has completely got the referral of Nis very wrong.

"n the days prior to the bombing, an attack folder labelled 'Belgrade Warehouse 1' was circulated for command approval. The folder originated within the CIA and described the target as a warehouse for a Yugoslav government agency suspected of arms proliferation activities. In this form, the strike was approved by President Clinton.
It is unclear if other NATO leaders approved the strike. A report by the French Ministry of Defense after the war stated that "part of the military operations were conducted by the United States outside the strict framework of NATO"[5] and that a dual-track command structure existed. NATO had no authority over the B-2 stealth bombers that carried out the strike."

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

View Postwolfknight, on 17 April 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Why would the US set a bomb to go off in Boston to kill and mame? This is a act of terror against bystanders what would that prove?
It's annoying when people just comment without bothering to read even a bit of the story


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostTiggs, on 17 April 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

If the US actually was cluster bombing civilian centres on a regular basis, you'd imagine that the author would have been able to come up with a better example than the accidental civilian bombing of Nis by Dutch F-16's.

You'll note, however, that he hasn't.

If you take in a account, that such news do not get in to the public so easely, only when they are so big that you have to report, I do not find it strange.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostCoffey, on 17 April 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:



The article is comparing what the US has done in the past to the Boston Bombing and how they act all caring etc for the people in Boston to keep the people sweet, but don't mind doing it in another country and then trying to say it's justice.

They call 9/11 a tragedy and demand sympathy from the world. No doubt it is, innocents died for the agenda of horrible people, the problem being they cause more tragedies and call them necessary means of action. Disgraceful. (I'm referring to most US politicians, the media, those higer ups that profit from all this and ignorant people as "they").


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:53 PM

View PostTiggs, on 17 April 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

If the US actually was cluster bombing civilian centres on a regular basis, you'd imagine that the author would have been able to come up with a better example than the accidental civilian bombing of Nis by Dutch F-16's.

You'll note, however, that he hasn't.

No one's saying the government does this EVERYDAY, but it DOES happen a lot and the media puts a little article about it in the news, yet when a bomb goes off in Boston they report it everywhere, and are SOO sympathetic to the victims and the families. What about the civilians killed in Pakistan by drones? CIVILIANS. No wonder they hate us so much.
http://www.policymic...ds-of-civilians

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Despite the Obama administration’s public statements that the strikes have contributed to either “no” or “single digit” civilian casualties, The Bureau of Investigative Journalism found that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, drone strikes killed between 2,562 and 3,325 people in Pakistan, including 176 children.
The civilian carnage is just one aspect the report criticizes, citing “considerable and under-accounted for harm to the daily lives of ordinary civilians.” The study, based upon nine months of intensive research including 130 interviews of victims and witnesses, suggests the “terrorizing” nature of the 24 hours a day presence of drones in northwest Pakistan.  
One interviewee described the constant surveillance of the drones as “a wave of terror,” adding that “children, grown-up people, women, they are terrified. . . . They scream in terror.” Another described the drones as “like a mosquito. Even when you don’t see them, you can hear them, you know they are there.”
Fear of drone attacks have kept Pakistanis from participating in daily activities like attending school and engaging in commerce, further calling into question the long-term consequences of drone strikes on the stability of the region. Mental health professionals fear that children traumatized by their presence may grow up with long-term ramifications of psychological trauma that may place the U.S. at future national security risk. One Pakistani mental health professional shared, “The biggest concern I have as a [mental health professional] is that when the children grow up, the kinds of images they will have with them, it is going to have a lot of consequences ... People who have experienced such things, they don’t trust people; they have anger, desire for revenge ..."
If drone strikes had proven effective in protecting U.S. national security interests, perhaps the civilian toll would draw less condemnation, but the New America Foundation recently reported that the number of “high level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is only 2%.

http://rt.com/news/p...ims-drones-695/

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The absolute majority of the people killed by American UAVs in Pakistan are innocent civilians, claims Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik. If given the drone technology, Pakistan would do a better job, he argued earlier.
­Malik revealed that according to Islamabad's calculations, the number of drone attacks in recent years totaled 336, of 96 of which were launched from Afghanistan.
There are no exact statistics on the number of people killed in drone strikes in Pakistan. Estimates vary from about 2,500 to over 3,000 victims. As many as 174 of them were reportedly children.
The latest US study claimed that only 2 per cent of drone strike casualties in Pakistan are top militants.
The researchers at Stanford and New York University also claimed that the American drone strike policy in Pakistan has not helped Washington achieve its goal of curbing terrorism in the region. The civilian deaths that mark practically every drone strike on terror suspects in Pakistan’s tribal regions have achieved the opposite goal: locals hate the US because of the unceasing fear that death may come from above at any moment.






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