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#331    Harsh86_Patel

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:51 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 May 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

In every field there are experts.  If I have a broken leg I see a doctor.  If my neighbor sues me I see a lawyer.  If my air conditioner stops working, I call an air conditioner shop.

When it comes to scientific and historical matters, I have pretty much the same attitude.  The authorities and reporters generally get it about right, with no doubt some reporters going overboard and getting details that don't really matter to me personally screwed up.  The prevailing science about something is far more likely to have it about as right as it can be.

We have to remember that the world is full of people with agendas that are served by spreading lies.  Often these are personal notions about the world, or derived from religion, or in various other ways generated by a desire that the scientists be wrong.  Well, they generally aren't, and science is far more self-correcting than any other human activity.
Would you accept a wrong diagnosis from a Doctor, or would you take secondary opinions? Nowadays most people do their own research of their own diseases as sources are easily available.They also check the medications prescribed by doctors and their side effects for themselves.
Also you can't ignore the law suites filed against so many doctors for administrating wrong treatments that lead to death of the patient.
No need to trust the expert blindly anymore, we are in the information age and we can find out for ourselves.The internet is a boon.

Science will not accept abstract art as an explanation for any hypothesis, in science the evidence is treated more literally i.e If i see a bust with an elongated head and neck then i will deduce that the person's head was bound and the neck elongated using neck rings especially if these practices as still prevalent on the same continent.

Either ways there is not much Science in what we are debating here anyways.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:54 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

You are again boderlining on being religious about the Issue. You and Carter and many other Egyptologists claim that the mummy is tut's, prove it beyond all reasonable doubt.
Are you even capable of being a skeptic?

Oh so i have insulted your delicate sensitivities by questioning Carter's report. They are personal accounts that you rely on so unquestioningly, that might not be prudent. There is no video evidence of how Carter found the tombs and opened it. Whatever country you live in, please check the validity of such evidence in the presence of counter evidence.

Carter spending ten years to clear the tomb, can be a reason for him to plant a mummy in an empty Sarcophagus.Imagine the dissapointment he must have faced if he found the sarcophagus empty.

What is AE history for you? Is it only based on personel testimonies of these initial adventurers? You and other's like you may be the ultimate insult to the actual AE history, borne out of your willing acceptance of these eye witness testimonies given by foreign adventurers in Egypt.
Beyond belief! You may suck others into your trap but not me. This is not any form of debate, it is like trying to prove water is wet. If you do not believe reality, then that is your problem. I suspect you deliberately take these bizarre positions because you are bored and want to see other posters banging heads for your amusment. I will not play these stupid idiot games.

Edit to add that I see you still contend that Armarna art is a true likeness of what they looked like, and that as no mummies with deformed heads, long necks and wide hips have been discovered, then the mummies we have are all other people from another time. This is not a rational position to take, and it is not posible, based on your other posts on this matter, to have a debate when you cannot, or will not, live in reality. I cannot take anything you say seriously.

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 06 May 2013 - 08:05 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

My explanation would make sense to people who use common sense, which is an essential tool.

But what can I say, when it doesn’t make sense to some people, which implies they lack something?

The GP provided no productive value to the Kingdom.

Building Pyramids of the scale of GP was a strain on the country's resources.

When the resources were diverted elsewhere, the scale of the pyramids went down.

That’s my explanation and i consider it as logical enough.

Now, let us hear your illogical explanation?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:19 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

These are personal testimonies that we read and accept without questioning. People are capable of doing a lot of mischeif when the eye in the sky is not watching everything. Why else do you think that security cameras have been heavily installed in work places as well as residential buildings.

you have been studying the way of 'cladking' I see ....

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:35 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 06 May 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

you have been studying the way of 'cladking' I see ....

The way of the CladKing.....brrr..scary thought... :w00t:
And pray ..dont let the spectre of the Geysers manifest to you!!

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:37 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 06 May 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

The way of the CladKing.....brrr..scary thought... :w00t:
And pray ..dont let the spectre of the Geysers manifest to you!!

eerie isn't it ?
the resemblance ?

I wonder if cladking been giving out tuition .... :alien:

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 06 May 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

you have been studying the way of 'cladking' I see ....
No i get my inspirations from the Skeptics out here....how and what sorts of evidences are demanded. Personel testimonies don't cut the ice.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:40 AM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 06 May 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Beyond belief! You may suck others into your trap but not me. This is not any form of debate, it is like trying to prove water is wet. If you do not believe reality, then that is your problem. I suspect you deliberately take these bizarre positions because you are bored and want to see other posters banging heads for your amusment. I will not play these stupid idiot games.

Edit to add that I see you still contend that Armarna art is a true likeness of what they looked like, and that as no mummies with deformed heads, long necks and wide hips have been discovered, then the mummies we have are all other people from another time. This is not a rational position to take, and it is not posible, based on your other posts on this matter, to have a debate when you cannot, or will not, live in reality. I cannot take anything you say seriously.

You have certainly dissected my motives, but i would say rather inaccurately.I like to discuss the topic so i can evaluate the evidence put up by you fine gentlemen.I want to know the nature of the best available evidence for these so called historical facts.Uptil now i have got precious little then eye witness accounts and baised interpretations.

You are compapring the mummy we found in tut's tomb being tut to water being wet.If your belief is so strong in this then why debate it. Leave it to the Skeptics.

Edited by Harsh86_Patel, 06 May 2013 - 08:49 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:43 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

No i get my inspirations from the Skeptics out here....how and what sorts of evidences are demanded. Personel testimonies don't cut the ice.

to repeat one of my first posts to Cladking :

"I'm all for ground breaking research but the ground has got to be there in the first place .... "

In this case ... the ice is a bit too thin for cutting ... its now a puddle

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:43 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 06 May 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

My explanation would make sense to people who use common sense, which is an essential tool.

But what can I say, when it doesn’t make sense to some people, which implies they lack something?

The GP provided no productive value to the Kingdom.

Building Pyramids of the scale of GP was a strain on the country's resources.

When the resources were diverted elsewhere, the scale of the pyramids went down.

That’s my explanation and i consider it as logical enough.

Now, let us hear your illogical explanation?
Finally you come to see the point, the AE would not have wasted so much time and resources for the GP as a tomb.It is evident by the other smaller Pyramids we find actually built by these AE.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:46 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 06 May 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

to repeat one of my first posts to Cladking :

"I'm all for ground breaking research but the ground has got to be there in the first place .... "

In this case ... the ice is a bit too thin for cutting ... its now a puddle

Lol.....History as we know it is a puddle...It is not an Empirical Science but an interpretation of the past based on consensus of the monopoly club.

Some documents that seem to be a myth are taken at face value whereas others are dismissed as myths etc etc.

I don't wanna start with this again.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:47 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Finally you come to see the point, the AE would not have wasted so much time and resources for the GP as a tomb.It is evident by the other smaller Pyramids we find actually built by these AE.

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glad you like and take Calvin seriously too ....


View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

Lol.....History as we know it is a puddle...It is not an Empirical Science but an interpretation of the past based on consensus of the monopoly club.

Some documents that seem to be a myth are taken at face value whereas others are dismissed as myths etc etc.

I don't wanna start with this again.



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Edited by third_eye, 06 May 2013 - 08:50 AM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Finally you come to see the point, the AE would not have wasted so much time and resources for the GP as a tomb.It is evident by the other smaller Pyramids we find actually built by these AE.

Ok. Now with that viewpoint and reasoning - can you kindly explain why did the ancient Indians take the pains to build the Ajantha and Ellora caves which were carved out of mountains and the Kalilashnath temple in Ellora being carved out of one single rock?? back breaking work it was, wasnt it??

If you doubt that the AEs didnt build the GP just because you doubt that "AE would not have wasted so much time and resources for the GP as a tomb"
tell us your reason for the Ajanta and Ellora caves and we will give you  a reason for the GP, in your way.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:57 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 06 May 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Ok. Now with that viewpoint and reasoning - can you kindly explain why did the ancient Indians take the pains to build the Ajantha and Ellora caves which were carved out of mountains and the Kalilashnath temple in Ellora being carved out of one single rock?? back breaking work it was, wasnt it??

If you doubt that the AEs didnt build the GP just because you doubt that "AE would not have wasted so much time and resources for the GP as a tomb"
tell us your reason for the Ajanta and Ellora caves and we will give you  a reason for the GP, in your way.
The monks were staying there and begging for alms.It was their home.
They were not building tombs.
The temples and sculptors was a form of devotion that they potrayed and also mainly because it attracted Royalty and travellers that gave them alms.

Like i sais that Khufu would rather have built a equally Big Palace to stay in when he was alive.There is no other  structure of comparable scale built by the AE that matches the GP.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 06 May 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

The monks were staying there and begging for alms.It was their home.
They were not building tombs.
The temples and sculptors was a form of devotion that they potrayed and also mainly because it attracted Royalty and travellers that gave them alms.

Like i sais that Khufu would rather have built a equally Big Palace to stay in when he was alive.There is no other  structure of comparable scale built by the AE that matches the GP.

Who are talking about the Monks?

We are talking about the building of the strcutures, carvings and the temples in Ajanta and Ellora caves.

Are you implying that the monks built /carved it all??
No. These structures/carvings were done by specialists. Not by monks. Maybe be the cave paintings could have been done by Monks, but carving the whole caves and temples? No way.


Again, answer the question - Using your same reasoning for the GP, tell us why would the Ancient indians do back breaking work carving out these caves and temples???

Edited by The_Spartan, 06 May 2013 - 09:35 AM.

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