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Why did Mary Magdalene become the leader?


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#16    docyabut2

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:40 AM

View Postconspiracy buff, on 22 April 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Most theologians will dismiss Mary Magdalene because of traditional dogma taught for years in Christianity.  These long standing beliefs have not always been in touch with history nor reality.  Even most biblical scholars will tell you it is highly unusual for a man of Jesus' age in that time period to NOT have been married and even have possibly had kids.  I think between what the accepted cannon of the Bible implies and the gnostic rejected gospels report, it is highly likely that Mary Magdalene and Jesus were indeed common law husband and wife or actually married.  Although that is not the most approved of scenario, it is probably the more realistic one.  That would explain why Mary was always near Jesus and why she over the other disciples took over Jesus' ministry.


It seems to me that Mary a saved follower, not his wife would have spread Jesus teachings in her own commuitity, but wasnt it  Mark, Paul and others discilpes that  taveled were the real leaders in spreading Jesus teachings to the world ? The gospel of Mary was not written until a hundred years later and may have just been made up.

http://en.wikipedia..../Gospel_of_Mary

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:44 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 22 April 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

It seems to me that Mary a saved follower, not his wife would have spread Jesus teachings in her own commuitity, but wasnt it  Mark, Paul and others discilpes that  taveled were the real leaders in spreading Jesus teachings to the world ? The gospel of Mary was not written until a hundred years later and may have just been made up.

http://en.wikipedia..../Gospel_of_Mary

It is clear from the bible and Gnostic texts that Jesus and Mary had a partnership, whether spiritual or personal or both. It is also clear that this close relationship caused problems and split the disciples but it is Mary who takes the lead role and directs the group to a mountain in Galilee which was clearly part of some master plan. So it begs the questions which mountain did she send them to and why? The obvious candidate is the mountain next to the place she is associated with, Magdala/ Migdal, by the Sea of Galilee, Mount Arbel. If this is part of a message being conveyed by Mary why was this mountain a special location to Jesus and Mary of Magdala? Is there something special about this location which the accounts are trying to lead us to?
The answer to that question is yes there is something special about Mount Arbel and something that Jesus and Mary of Magdala must have been aware of.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

Is Mary Magdalene named after Magdala or is Magdala named after Mary Magdalene? We won't have a definitive answer but it is a question worthy of being asked nonetheless.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:53 AM

Bethany is recorded in the New Testament as the home of the siblings Mary, Martha, and Lazarus, as well as that of Simon the Leper. Jesus is reported to have lodged there after his entry into Jerusalem, and it could be from Bethany that he parted from his disciples at the Ascension.


http://en.wikipedia....iblical_village)


Mary Magdalene was Lazarus`s sister Mary of Bethany who Jesus saved from stoneing  at the temple of Mount Olives,she was a courtesan of the roman officers of Magdan, that Jesus brought home to untie with her family and became good friends with Lazarus and where Jesus went after the resurection to meet with his disciples and later died.



  Bethany has traditionally been identified with the present-day West Bank city of al-Eizariya (Arabic (العيزرية), meaning "Place of Lazarus"), site of the reputed Tomb of Lazarus, located about 1.5 miles (2.4 km) to the east of Jerusalem on the south-eastern slope of the Mount of Olives.[1]


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:24 AM

I don't know that Mary Mag was a leader. Bible doesn't say she was. When she went to the grave site thinking she would anoint the dead body of Jesus, she was with two other women. The next event of Jesus appearing to Mary Mag can be understood by Jesus' statement: ..."Touch Me not for I have not yet ascended to the Father."

Surprised to see Jesus was not dead, a natural reaction would have been to rush and touch Him. Perhaps even joyfully embrace Him.

Why didn't Jesus want her to touch Him? And why had Jesus not already gone to heaven to the Father? He is God. He created worlds and planets in split seconds. What was He waiting for? Why did He need to go to heaven, anyway??????

Jesus was at that point the High Priest taking the blood of the spotless Lamb to the Tabernacle of Testimony and the Mercy Seat in the heavenly tabernacle before Father God. In the Old Testament there was an area with an undefined boundary in which "the women serving who served" stood in front of the door going into the Holy Place from the Court of the Congregation. Their job was was to scrutinize the priests and especially the High Priest as he passed in front of them going into the tabernacle (later Solomon's Temple and Zerubbabel's Temple). If there was any blood stain or blemish found on them, they were to tell the congregation. The priests would lose reputation and control. The door in front of the tabernacle is where truth was always established.

Remember, when the wilderness Israelites questioned Moses being God's choice of their leader? By God coming down and staying at the door of Moses' tabernacle, it proved that Moses was His chosen leader. If God had entered, it would have killed him. So that door is where truth was established and false teachings are revealed and discarded.

Martin Luther said of these women who had made vows to serve God by serving at that door, that the expression "women serving who served" would have a better understanding of what they were doing if it had said something like, women serving who made war.

Priests hated these women. They were not appointed by the priests. It was strictly between the woman and God whether she served. Herod's Temple was the first chance the priests got to get rid of that office. They pushed them to the other end of the Court of the Congregation and put a Middle Wall of Petition between the priests and all women (not just the ones serving who served). That would take care of those mouthy women. To keep them doing busy, busy humanitarian work and keep them out of the priests' hair, they had 13 trumpet shaped vessels for collecting as much money as they could possibly wrest from the congregation and there were rooms for the women to keep up with the wine supplies and care for the lepers, and etc.

Jesus never broke the Law. As High Priest He would have had to walk past at least one woman serving who served. The very act of touching a priest as he was performing his duties would have contaminated him and made him unfit to continue. That's why she was told not by Jesus to not touch Him. Her conclusion? He's alive! He is true! He did arise after the 3rd day and night! He is Good News! There is no contradiction or stain on Him! He is spotless!

And the first thing she did was to go tell the trembling disciples. He is alive!!! He is God!!! He is truth!!! She fulfilled the Law. That's why Jesus waited to appear before her.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:48 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 April 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Is Mary Magdalene named after Magdala or is Magdala named after Mary Magdalene? We won't have a definitive answer but it is a question worthy of being asked nonetheless.

It is a good question. It would appear that the location associated with Mary is Magdala, now Migdal, with the prominent mountain, Mount Arbel next to it. This would then be the mountain in Galilee that Mary directed the disciples to in Matthew 28. There was clearly a mountain meeting place special to Jesus where he gave his Great Commission and talked about the 'end of time'. It would seem that the fishing port at this location then became known as Magdala because of this connection. This meeting place was clearly prearranged by Jesus and Mary must have been aware of this.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:35 AM

MAry, Miriam, Maria isn't a name at all ... it is a title ... just as "jesus" isn't a name ...

http://en.wikipedia....ry_(given_name)

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 23 April 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

MAry, Miriam, Maria isn't a name at all ... it is a title ... just as "jesus" isn't a name ...

http://en.wikipedia....ry_(given_name)

Seems to have a number of meanings


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:53 AM

View Postlaver, on 23 April 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Seems to have a number of meanings

Time and place I guess ... we just apply what we know of the times and age of location to what evidence we have at hand.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:14 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 23 April 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Time and place I guess ... we just apply what we know of the times and age of location to what evidence we have at hand.

So the fishing port on the sea of Galilee next to Mount Arbel becomes known as Magdala because she sent the disciples there to meet Jesus...


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:34 PM

View Postlaver, on 23 April 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

So the fishing port on the sea of Galilee next to Mount Arbel becomes known as Magdala because she sent the disciples there to meet Jesus...

I can't say that I know for sure, not sure if there is any records of when Mount Arbel became Magdala, then again there was that problem of an Emperor's mother demanding that every Holy Site mentioned in the Holy Book be located.
The authenticity of many a sites is now being reassessed.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 23 April 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

I can't say that I know for sure, not sure if there is any records of when Mount Arbel became Magdala, then again there was that problem of an Emperor's mother demanding that every Holy Site mentioned in the Holy Book be located.
The authenticity of many a sites is now being reassessed.

There is certainly quite a lot of work going on at Magdala/Migdal now I hear


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:52 PM

View Postlaver, on 23 April 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

There is certainly quite a lot of work going on at Magdala/Migdal now I hear

Thanks for the heads up ... I'll keep an eye out :tu:

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:22 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 23 April 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Thanks for the heads up ... I'll keep an eye out :tu:

Called the Magdala Project; but there is an ever growing interest in Mary for many reasons as she has emerged as the second most important person in the story of Christ and may hold the key as to what was really going on in the Holy Land at that time


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

Hi.

This may be a jump for some.

Mary was to be Jesus Wife, his intended , but the marriage was not consecrated,  Jesus was the second Adam.

Mary was to be his intended but first a condition had to met.

Jesus being the second Adam had to have his eve given back by the Fallen Angel since he stole her.  Judas Iscariot and Mary had a bit of a fling, that's why you can see Judas Iscariot's jealousy when she anointed his head and feet. As if Judas really cared about how that money could have been distributed.

Mary had to have Judas give her to Jesus, instead he betrayed Jesus. His betray was a love crime, Judas did love Jesus very much, unfortunately he loved Mary more.

This is similar to the Egyptian Pharaoh giving back Abrahams wife.  

The gospel of Mary was purposely hidden by the Asines  so as not to confuse the early Christians.

Don't confuse Mary with the prostitute as that was a different woman and a set up to test Jesus by the Pharisees under the Mosaic law, yes they are allowed to test. The writing on the floor was Jesus writing there sins oldest to youngest, it was done this way because God can hide our transgression..one by one they left. The girl really had no idea what was going on.

The supper was not in Lazarus house, it was in Simon the lepers home (also a Pharisee and father of Iscariot) Martha served because they were all known to each other.  

Mary was both Magdalene and Bethany. She owned the fort beside the sea of Galilee but lived in Bethany,  her family was wealthy.  The ointment cost 300 denarii (and one denarii is one days pay for reference), one of the reasons why the Iscariot's wanted her in there family.





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