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Boston bomber, citizen or enemy combatant?

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Poll: Boston Bomber, enemy combatant or citizen? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

Should the Bostom Bomber be tried as a citizen criminal or a military enemy combatant?

  1. Citizen criminal, he was naturalized last year (31 votes [83.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.78%

  2. Military enemy combatant, he is an enemy of the state (6 votes [16.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.22%

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#1    Raptor Witness

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:26 AM

The argument is already being seriously made by the right wing of the Republican Party.

What they're essentially saying, is that if you violently attack the state, then you're not a U.S. citizen.

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#2    Jessica Christ

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:32 AM

A citizen is a citzen. That the right wishes to suspend rights to our citizens is so very Bush of them.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:38 AM

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Assuming the law recognises him as a citizen of the United States then he should be tried as a citizen of the United States. To do otherwise makes a mockery of the citizenship process - it sends the message that anyone who has been granted citizenship aren't actually equal to "true Americans" who were born and bred in the States.

At least that's how it would come across to me as an Australian.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:11 AM

I think the brother, who was killed, could be considered an enemy combatant. I wouldn't have a problem with that, because he had not been granted citizenship, and there may be evidence he was acting with the help of a foreign body.

It's a slippery slope if you negate citizenship, for ANY reason.

I might be open to an argument for a probationary period of U.S. citizenship for those who are naturalized, because I can see the day when we've got so many of these Jihadists that we can't afford to bring them all to trial. We don't want to reward sleeper cells with citizenship.

Which reminds me, perhaps these boys wanted to be seen by the cameras.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:21 AM

A citizen taking on the role of a terrorist in effect becomes a enemy combatant.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:30 AM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 21 April 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

A citizen taking on the role of a terrorist in effect becomes a enemy combatant.

A citizen though is afforded rights that enemy combatants are not. I'm never a fan of anyone who attacks my country or people however as with what PA said I can't abide the precedent that this would set by stripping a citizen of their rights because of an act of terrorism. That does not sound like the kind of 'justice' I want anything to do with and seems to me to be playing right in to the plans of terrorists to change our society through fear and anger.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:37 AM

Question, if the US is still offically in this war on terror that was declared, should`nt even  citizens be tried for enemy combatant against the states, if proven they had ties to the enemy of this war.  When we were in the war of Japan, all Japanse citizens were lock up and consider to enemies of that war.We can never do that again, but if citizens that do harm with ties to the enemy, should`nt they be tired as war combatants?


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:49 AM

It won't be long until we can label any one who resists the agenda an enemy combatant.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:55 AM

A combatant is someone who takes part in an armed conflict.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:16 AM

If a citizen 'goes over to the other side' so to speak, then uses violent armed conflict in an attempt to overthrow the United States (via terrorist attacks) wouldn't that make them a traitor as well as an enemy combatant? I'm not a lawyer, but one could also pose the argument that when this young man took the oath of citizenship last year he was essentially *lying*...so said citizenship might not be valid? This doesn't seem to me to be a clear cut issue by any means.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:23 AM

There are thousands like these two in every civilised country in the world, just waiting to do as much harm and damage as possible,I believe they are called "sleepers".

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:57 AM

If they are classified as enemy combatants it will set a very dangerous precedent. For one they do not belong to an enemy nation, no one has claimed responsibility for the attack. They are individuals who as far as we know right now acted as individuals. The younger brother will be charged as a terrorist, as he should.

Unless someone travels to the united states with the expressed purpose (and being commissioned by a foreign nation) they should be charged under criminal law.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:53 PM

Neither the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, or Seventh Amendments specify that they apply only to 'citizens'.  "The People" and "no person" is the language.

All that garbage about 'enemy combatants' is sophistry generated by Bush & Company.

Corrupt the language, and you can corrupt the thought process.  Mission accomplished.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:43 PM

View PostLilly, on 21 April 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

If a citizen 'goes over to the other side' so to speak, then uses violent armed conflict in an attempt to overthrow the United States (via terrorist attacks) wouldn't that make them a traitor as well as an enemy combatant? I'm not a lawyer, but one could also pose the argument that when this young man took the oath of citizenship last year he was essentially *lying*...so said citizenship might not be valid? This doesn't seem to me to be a clear cut issue by any means.

You took the words right fom me. If the links to al queda or any foreign influence turn out true then without a doubt he's a traitor. And if he's defected from the US in favor of a foreign enemy then enemy combatant sounds right to me.

I have a real bad feeling this (insert vile term here) is going to be portrayed as a victim.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

Don't you need an actual state of war for traitors and enemy combatants to exist?

Has there been an actual declaration of war?

Or is this just presidents sending troops out on their own personal perogative?

If the latter then whatever term is used is also presidential personal perogative and an ignoring of our Constitution.

Funny how the party who screams the most that they will defend our Constitution are the first to want to trash it.





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