Anti-Semite Croats? You are either lying, either talking about things you don’t know much about.
How little changes in Croatia...
Ante Starcevic (1823-1896), called by many Croats "the Father of the Fatherland", was an anti-Semite. He also wanted to supress the rights of minorities. He was also against the unity of Southern Slavs, the same as Croats in the 1990s who were so eager to leave Yugoslavia.
We should remember that in the 1990s it was not just a story of Serbs from Serbia who came to help Serbs in Croatia who did not want to leave, it was also Serbs who had lived in Croatia for hundreds of years who wanted to remain part of Yugoslavia and not break away.
Vukovar had similar numbers of Serbs and Croats, should the Serbs who wanted to remain in Yugoslavia just be ignored because jackbooted thugs say otherwise, jackbooted thugs who still hate Serbs, who still want to suppress Serbs, to this very day? Back to Ante Starcevic and the 1800s...
Starčević had based his ideological views on writings of those ancient Greek writers who thought that some people, by their very nature, are slaves, for they had "just half of the human mind" and, for that reason, they "shall be governed by people of the human nature". About the people and nations which he saw as cursed and lower ranked races - he spoke as of the animal breeds and uses the "breed" word to mark them.
He wrote a whole tractate about the Jews that could be summarized in a few sentences: "Jews ... are the breed, except a few, without any morality and without any homeland, the breed of which every unit strives to its personal gain, or to its relatives' gain. To let the Jews to participate in public life is dangerous: throw a piece of mud in a glass of the clearest water - then all the water will be puddled. That way the Jews spoiled and poisoned the French people too much".
For Starčević, there was a race worse than the Jews. For him, the "Slavoserb" notion was firstly of a political nature: the "Slavoserbs" are his political opponents who "sold themselves to a foreign rule". Then all those who favorably look on the South Slavs unity not regarding them (the South Slavs) as the Croats.
Further, he claimed that the injustice was done to different "cursed breeds" what spoiled those breeds even more and made them "to be vengeful against their oppressors". As a convinced racist, he stresses that to the "cursed breeds", i.e. to the lower races should not be given any role in the public life.
Can we guess what the highest currency note that exists today in Croatia? The 1000 kuna. Can we guess who is depicted on the 1000 kuna? Ante Starcevic. What a place of honor for an anti-Semite...
Ante Starcevic was also the founder of the Ustasha but is warmly honored in Croatia today. Imagine if Germany today had dollar bills with Hitler?
Global Research traces Croatian plans to ethnically cleanse Serbs all the way back to 1848. (link)
is the list of Croatian Righteous Among the Nations. 102 Croats were honored with this title by the state of Israel.
Here is a list of the 131 Serbian Rightous Among the Nations.
Let us be honest now, while both 109 Croats (the list has been updated) and 131 Serbs who have been honored by Israel for helping the Jews deserve recognition, all made sacrifices, the Croats had to actually harbor and keep the Jews they helped away from both the Nazis and the majority of their own fellow Croatians who supported the Ustasha, and on the other hand the Serbs who helped the Jews had to keep them away from the Germans and a few Serb collaborators.
Let us really be honest now. The Serbs and the Croats welcomed the Nazis in different fashions. While the Germans began bombing the Serbs in Belgrade on 6 April 1941 just four days later on April 10, "Croatia warmly welcomed the Germans, meeting them in their finest clothes, and throwing candies and flowers on the invading tanks," in Zagreb.
According to official United States Army history, as loyal Yugoslavians soldiers were being deployed all across the country to help defend all of Yugoslavia from the German invasion (with help from the Croatian third column), "thousands of Croat reservists did not report as directed for military service," so they could welcome the Nazis instead. Thousands of Croat traitors acted just like their countrymen who have always conspired to betray the rest of Yugoslavia.
Let us rewind to the month before, in March 1941.
On 27 March 1941 the Serbs, via loyal Royal Yugoslavian Air Force officers, overthrew their own government because the traitorous , "Cvetković government had signed the Vienna Protocol on the Accession of Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact. (link)
Meanwhile the Croats were busy making: "a declaration, made on 31 March 1941 and signed on 5 May 1941, in which Ustaše requested the declaration of a Croatian state. The document also sought German support, protection and recognition among Axis nations." (link)
This is the scene in August 1942:
Two Thousand Bulgarian Jews Reported Fighting with Chetniks in Serbia
Study the WWII in ex-Yugoslavia before you continue this thread. Start with formation of first anti-fascist unit near Sisak, in Croatia, on June 22nd 1941, before US decided which side they’ll take, by the way. No offence to Americans, I like colourful figures of speech.
Yes, 1 Serb was also among this group, but overall the Partisans were multi-national Communists of all ethnic groups. They were communist who were not loyal to Yugoslavia, communists who had received training from the Soviets and Spanish socialists long before the war began in preparation to betray their own country.
Yugoslavian Front: Early Resistance
The Chetniks were loyal to Royal Yugoslavia and Royal Yugoslavia was not drawing plans to attack others before WWII, they were not making plans to divide the country up, those were the plans the majority of the Croats made, who welcomed the Nazi tanks with flower and candies.
Let us not pretend the Partisans were nice guys either, they were willing to hand over Royal Yugoslavia to the international communist movement, and they did horrible things both during and after the war. Maybe you did not learn this in your Tito-censored schools. Our American press was sure to report it.
The revelations are certain to produce an emotional re-evaluation of the Partisans, of Marshal Tito and of the Communist Government he dominated for 35 years until his death in 1980.
The fighting pitted Germans, Italians and other occupation forces, allied with a Croatian fascist movement called the Ustashi, which governed a puppet state, against the Partisans and the Serbian royalist Chetnik movement.
The Partisans and Chetniks fought against each other as well as against the Ustashi and the foreign invaders. The evidence of the Partisan atrocities lies in masses of human bones found at the bottom of caves in Slovenia and Croatia and statements by witnesses who, after 45 years of frightened silence, have come forward.
''I drove a busload of wounded Croatian soldiers from Holy Spirit Hospital in Zagreb to Sosice in the last half of May 1945, after the war ended,'' said Branko Mulic, a 79-year-old ex-Partisan.
He disclosed the site of a mass grave in a cave near Sosice, a Croatian village. ''I watched Partisan officers line them up and, one by one, bring them to the hole in the roof of the cave, shoot them in the back of the head and let their bodies fall into the pile at the bottom. The officers alternated who did the shooting so their guns would not overheat,'' Mr. Mulic said.
The Sosice cave is just one of several known sites where Communist Partisans settled accounts with members of the Ustasi, who themselves were responsible for mass killings of Serbs, Jews and gypsies during the war.
But historians and witnesses say most of the Partisans' victims in 1945 were Croats, Slovenes and Serbs drafted into armies allied with the Axis occupation forces and members of the Chetnik movement. In addition to combat personnel, nurses, nuns and children were killed.
Since the news of the Sosice cave broke in Croatia last week, people from throughout Yugoslavia have been telephoning Vjesnik to report mass graves and massacre sites, said Silvije Tomasevic, a Vjesnik editor.
Historians have estimated that the Partisans shot from 70,000 to 100,000 people without trial within weeks of the war's end.
Most of the victims were people who fled or were trying to flee at the end of the war, Mr. Bekic said. They were returned by British troops from detention camps in Austria or were turned back at the border by British troops occupying southern Austria and northeastern Italy, Mr. Bekic said.
To underpin its legitimacy, it fostered an image of Marshal Tito and the Partisans as humane, heroic liberators of all of Yugoslavia's people from fascism and nationalism.
''When I heard that Partisans carried out the killings, it made my head spin because it went against everything I heard in school,'' said Nikola Hranilovic, a Sosice resident who said he learned of the killings years ago but kept silent because he feared the police.
''I always heard that the Partisans fought for our side and for our people. It never became clear to me why they did this to women and men who were forced to join the army.''
Evolution in Europe; Piles of Bones in Yugoslavia Point to Partisan Massacres
It’s not black and white as you would like it to be. It’s mostly red, as blood of all European nations shed for no ****en good reason and I’ll be damned if I let you blacken the memory of my ancestors, regardless of the insignia they wore at the moment of their untimely death.
Was there Croatian-operated death camp? Yes. Jasenovac. Members of my mostly anti-fascist family died there too.
Was there Serb-operated death camp? Yes. Banjica, near Belgrade. Jews first, Roma next, then the anti-fascist too. Learn before you speak, Britney.
Of course it was not black and white. There is plenty of nuance but we can be sure that majority of Croats wanted their own country, the majority of Serbs were fine sharing, and when it comes to death camps the Croats did not need Nazi collaborators to run them, they were happy to do it on their own, while the single Serb death camp you call was a German and Serb collaborator (traitor) ran camp, later the traitors ran it on their own, but the majority of Serbs did not particpate, support, or desire Nazis to be on their land while the majority of Croats welcomed them with open arms.
Ambassador Koll said that hate, racism, xenophobia and anti-Semitism still exist “as if history has taught us nothing”, however, the Ambassador cited the example of Serbs as acts of heroism that should be “like a lighthouse showing the way to a better future.”
Israel awards Serbs Righteous among the Nations
You know what happened. Nazis and the few Serbian traitors who helped them exterminated them. Many were sent to Croatia and died in Croat hands.
"It must have been a sad day when the German Gestapo commando in Serbia, Emanuel Schäfer, "cabled Berlin after last Jews were killed in May 1942:
"Serbien ist judenfrei.""
"Serbia is clean of Jews," was the message...
The Nazi genocide against Yugoslav Jews began in April 1941. The state of Serbia was completely occupied by the Nazis. The main race laws in the State of Serbia were adopted on 30 April 1941: the Legal Decree on Racial Origins (Zakonska odredba o rasnoj pripadnosti).
Jews from Syrmia were sent to Croatian camps, as were many Jews from other parts of Serbia. In rump Serbia, Germans proceeded to round up Jews of Banat and Belgrade, setting up a concentration camp across the river Sava, in the Syrmian part of Belgrade, then given to Independent State of Croatia. The camp, Sajmište, was established to process and eliminate the captured Jews and Serbs. As a result, Emanuel Schäfer, commander of the Security Police and Gestapo in Serbia, famously cabled Berlin after last Jews were killed in May 1942:
"Serbien ist judenfrei."
Similarly Harald Turner of the SS, stated in 1942 that:"Serbia is the only country in which the Jewish question and the Gypsy question has been solved."
By the time Serbia and Yugoslavia were liberated in 1944, most of the Serbian Jewry had been murdered. Of the 82,500 Jews of Yugoslavia alive in 1941, only 14,000 (17%) survived the Holocaust. Of the Serbian Jewish population of 16,000, Serbian Nazi puppet government of Milan Nedić, Ministry of Interior, police and secret services murdered approximately 14,500.
Historian Christopher Browning who attended the conference on the subject of Holocaust and Serbian involvement stated:
“Serbia was the only country outside Poland and the Soviet Union where all Jewish victims were killed on the spot without deportation, and was the first country after Estonia to be declared ‘Judenfrei,’” a term used by the Nazis during the Holocaust to denote an area free of all Jews.
History of the Jews in Serbia; The Holocaust
Even before the war broke out the Yugoslavians tried to help the Jews.
The new government immediately rescinded the Yugoslav signature on the Pact and called for strict neutrality. German response was swift and brutal: Belgrade was bombed without the declaration of war on 6 April 1941 and German, Italian, Hungarian and Bulgarian troops invaded Yugoslavia.
History of the Jews in Serbia
This is what the Jerusalem Post has to report regarding the long history of the Serbs and Jews as friends.
And even after Serbia was defeated by the Ottoman Turks in 1389 and subsequently subjugated, the Serbs nonetheless welcomed Spanish and Portuguese Jews who were exiled from Iberia a century later.
The Serbian town of Zemun, on the outskirts of Belgrade, played an important role in the Zionist movement.
Rabbi Shlomo Alkalai, an early religious-Zionist visionary, preached there in the 19th century, and a Jewish couple grew up there whose grandson, Theodor Herzl, would later alter the course of Jewish history.
More recently, during the Holocaust, Jews and Serbs found themselves the targets of their Croatian fascist neighbors, the Ustashe, who were allied with Hitler and proved to be energetic executioners. The Ustashe slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews and more than half a million Serbs in an orgy of violence and terror that left deep scars throughout the region. That sense of shared suffering is one that Serbs continue to feel towards Jews, and it underlines their strong sense of solidarity with Israel and the challenges that it faces.
Indeed, in a August 3 interview I conducted with Serbian Ambassador to Israel Zoran Basaraba, which appeared in The Jerusalem Post , he highlighted what he described as “a natural affinity” between Serbs and Jews. This affinity, he believes, can serve as the basis for further enhancing ties between the two peoples.
Serbia: Lost and Found
Here is what Israeli Ambassador Koll had to to say about the Serbs today followed by thoughts from ex-Serb President Tadic.
When President Boris Tadić addressed the gathering, he expressed his sense of pride over the fact that Serbians were among those to help the persecuted Jewish population during the war, adding that Serbia will not allow for inhumanity of that kind to ever again take place on its soil.
Israel honors Serbia's "righteous among the nations"
Here is what former American ambassador/Under Secretary of State Eizenstat had to say about Croatia last year in Jerusalem.
"Neither one of those is being done right now with respect to Croatia," said Eizenstat, who has negotiated agreements with Switzerland, Germany, Austria, France and other European countries with regard to restitution of property, compensation for slavery, recovery of looted art and bank accounts, and payment of insurance policies for Holocaust victims.
According to the Yad Vashem's website, 30,000 of Croatia's Jews died during the Holocaust - 80 percent of the country's Jewish population.
EU should hold countries seeking membership accountable for Holocaust roles, says U.S. diplomat
"Today there are approximately 1,700 Jews in Serbia and Montenegro, mainly in Serbia's capital city of Belgrade." (link)
"The 2001 Croatian census listed only 495 Jews, with 323 in Zagreb. Approximately 20 Jews each live in Primorje-Gorski Kotar County, Osijek and Dubrovnik" (link)
"Ever since the 13th century there has been a recorded Jewish community of both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews in the city of Belgrade. The first Jews to settle in the city originally arrived from Italy and the city of Dubrovnik, and later on from Hungary and Spain. The Jewish community developed substantially before and after World War I following the religious autonomy they have received, and many Jewish educational institutions and synagogues for both the Ashkenazi and Sephardic communities were established. By the year 1939 there were approximately 10,400 Jews living in Belgrade." (link)
Serbs never put Jews in medieval ghettos (they existed then too as did pogroms) but always had friendly relations but even in the distant past the Croats did put Jews in ghettos which were only freed after Napoleon came and made it happen.
Anti-semitism on the other hand existed in Croatia because of, "the attitudes of the Catholic Church and on Venetian law (which applied at the time), was a constant issue for the community, which lived in ghettos in Dubrovnik and Split." (link)
Of course some will falsely claim it was not the Croatians choice, but they were Catholic, and intolerant, they learned it well from their medieval Catholic friends, and kept at and still some are it seems in this case of suppressing minority rights in Vukovar today.
Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 28 April 2013 - 06:51 PM.