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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:37 AM

View PostBama13, on 23 April 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

That is what gets me. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God, albeit it different ways. Subsects of each religion have people that worship in different ways. Is the way we worship really important enough to kill eachother? I guess, judging by the evidence of centuries, the answer is yes.
Not so... they all trace their faith back to Abraham but that is where it ends.  Muslims worship a god that tells them to actively destroy those who will not submit.  I cannot speak for Judaism bu I KNOW Christians are taught the exact opposite.  How can they all worship the same God when He manifests Himself so differently to each?  I am not trying to hate on those who adhere to Islam.  I AM saying that their holy books teach them that the end justifies the means.  This last, great war of annihilation is coming because of a clash of civilizations helped along with nuclear weapons.  OBL just lit the fuse.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:54 AM

Christians are taught that Jesus is going to come back and kill everyone who isn't Christian at the end of the world. How is that different?


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 24 April 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

i love history .. unfortunatly some like and dislike certain parts of it to suit their little bubble of dreams
basically yes the article is truth .. christanity stand behind the most death toll in mankind
love it or hate it .. it doesn't matter it's history
Can you say the words... Islam IS the worlds most dangerous religious affiliation of TODAY!? So many of you obsess on history as if changes who holds the title of the most murderous group today.
We live in 2013, not 1427. Muslim terrorists are our problem, Christians were theirs.

View PostGromdor, on 24 April 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Christians are taught that Jesus is going to come back and kill everyone who isn't Christian at the end of the world. How is that different?
Well because it isn't going to happen and nobody is going around yelling Jesus Christ two seconds before they blow up your neighbor. The difference is that TODAY the jihadis act on it and the Christians don't.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:08 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 24 April 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

Worlds most dangerous affiliation? I'm not concerned with history. I'm concerned with today and the answer is obvious.

The answer is obvious IF one accepts the foundational notion of the Global War On Terror.  The answer is obvious IF one accepts all the inaccurate drivel put forth by the mainstream media.

If one keeps in mind that "today" (may we go back 10 years?  20 years?) the only example of a muslim country invading another country is Iraq & Kuwait.  If one studies just how that particular invasion occurred, it becomes apparent that Iraq was urged and tricked into invading Kuwait by April Glaspie and her handlers in the Bush 41 administration.

The vast majority of the invading, military aggression and targeted killing done "today", and for the last 10 or 20 years has been done by the US government, considered by most to be a "christian" country's government.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

View PostGromdor, on 24 April 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Christians are taught that Jesus is going to come back and kill everyone who isn't Christian at the end of the world. How is that different?

So would you say militant Muslims are just less lazy and decided to do it themselves and not wait for divine intervention.

And while I'm not a Christian, they would probably argue that all of the individuals killed during the Second Coming died because of their own decision to not come recognize Jesus as their savior.  So it was their choice.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

There are religious extremists in any religion, Christianity, Islam or Muslim.
Not ALL Islams or Muslims are out to kill all Christians. That's like saying all Christians want to kill gays because of a few idiots in the Westboro Baptist Church.
Sure, maybe the Qu'ran tells them, to go out and kill non believers, but hey, doesn't the Bible say, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?

Check out: http://en.wikipedia....sm_of_the_Quran

Just like the Bible, people can take a passage and quote it out of context or take it too literally.
But, this is just my opinion...


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:39 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 24 April 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:



The vast majority of the invading, military aggression and targeted killing done "today", and for the last 10 or 20 years has been done by the US government, considered by most to be a "christian" country's government.
That does not equate to christians being the most dangerous of the current times.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:45 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 April 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Juan Cole brings up some interesting historical data and perspective.

http://tinyurl.com/czkgecj

What say ye?

I don´t even need to open your link. Juan Cole is a total islamist stooge, right in line with Karen Armstrong and John Esposito.
Good grief, why do people listen to these demagogues, instead of informing themselves?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:52 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 24 April 2013 - 03:48 AM, said:

How about this for PC... Islam isn't the world's most dangerous religious affiliation. Islam is the affiliation of the world's most dangerous.

And the affiliation of the largest conglomeration of like minded dangerous and the most centrally controlled and globally connected dangerous. I can't understand why people refuse to admit that. I was watching O'Reilly earlier and he had an official from C.A.I.R on and he refused to admit that and just wanted to say yet again what Islam means to him. All peace and doves of course. CAIR is supposed to be a voice of reason yet he denies such undeniable facts and spins off into the usual drivel. I don't trust CAIR either. They sympathize and likely have their big toe stuck in jihad which of course he tried to sell as a simple struggle. What the hell are they struggling about anymore. They rule their own lands with an iron fist and there's a billion of them. Tired of hearing the oppressed victim card.

For your information, CAIR is a direct offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Their version of jihad is deception instead of violent jihad, the goal is the same.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

View PostKowalski, on 24 April 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

There are religious extremists in any religion, Christianity, Islam or Muslim.
Not ALL Islams or Muslims are out to kill all Christians. That's like saying all Christians want to kill gays because of a few idiots in the Westboro Baptist Church.
Sure, maybe the Qu'ran tells them, to go out and kill non believers, but hey, doesn't the Bible say, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?

Check out: http://en.wikipedia....sm_of_the_Quran

Just like the Bible, people can take a passage and quote it out of context or take it too literally.
But, this is just my opinion...
Kowalski when was the last time you read about a witch being killed by a Christian because "God told them to"?  I'm not attacking you here, just pointing out that equating all religions gives the evil being done in the name of Islam a free pass.  There is a growing movement in the world today that seeks domination of the WORLD by Islamists.  I don't fear it for myself but when I see what it would be like for my child, my grandchildren someday, it makes me angry.  On the other hand I also believe that people only deserve the amount of freedom they are willing to fight for.  The people in parts of Europe will soon understand this much better than Americans.  Sharia is insidious and if it is not actively opposed it sort of grows like some foul infection in a society.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:11 PM

All religion is bad.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 24 April 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

All religion is bad.
See post #40

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostKowalski, on 24 April 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

There are religious extremists in any religion, Christianity, Islam or Muslim.
Not ALL Islams or Muslims are out to kill all Christians. That's like saying all Christians want to kill gays because of a few idiots in the Westboro Baptist Church.
Sure, maybe the Qu'ran tells them, to go out and kill non believers, but hey, doesn't the Bible say, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?

Check out: http://en.wikipedia....sm_of_the_Quran

Just like the Bible, people can take a passage and quote it out of context or take it too literally.
But, this is just my opinion...

But don't you get it? If a Christian does something horrible then they are not really Christian, but if a Muslim does something horrible then they represent all of Islam. At lest thats what I'm getting from some people here.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:03 PM

View PostOdin11, on 24 April 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

But don't you get it? If a Christian does something horrible then they are not really Christian, but if a Muslim does something horrible then they represent all of Islam. At lest thats what I'm getting from some people here.
I think it's not about the individuals as much as the dogma some base their actions on.  Until 9-11 Americans were blissfully unaware of the issue between Jew and Muslim.  We were invited to join the fun because we support Israel (as a nation) and since then have become reasonably aware of the course of this struggle.  Americans as a group tend to hate the BEHAVIOR rather than the religion or ethnicity because we are so diverse ourselves.  When modern day Christians start blowing up children at road races and leveling building's and the people in them as an expression of God's will then I will agree with you.  It all gets back to the books Odin.  The Qur'an teaches love and tolerance - but only to other Muslims - no others need apply.  And truth to tell, I'm perfectly happy to leave the discussion alone except that it seems to be forced on myself and all other free peoples by the very Muslims who claim they are misunderstood.  
A Jew killed 29 Palestinians in the Cave of the Patriarchs and was vilified by the vast majority of Jews in Israel and the wider world.  The KKK and Aryan Nation are considered extremist trash by Christians in the US.  Those in Palestine who kill civilians are PRAISED as martyrs to the faith.  Respectfully, can you see why the words of the Qur'an are the indictment of the religion?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:45 PM

View Postand then, on 24 April 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Kowalski when was the last time you read about a witch being killed by a Christian because "God told them to"?  I'm not attacking you here, just pointing out that equating all religions gives the evil being done in the name of Islam a free pass.  There is a growing movement in the world today that seeks domination of the WORLD by Islamists.  I don't fear it for myself but when I see what it would be like for my child, my grandchildren someday, it makes me angry.  On the other hand I also believe that people only deserve the amount of freedom they are willing to fight for.  The people in parts of Europe will soon understand this much better than Americans.  Sharia is insidious and if it is not actively opposed it sort of grows like some foul infection in a society.

That's okay, I don't feel like you are personally attacking me. I understand you point.

View Postand then, on 24 April 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

I think it's not about the individuals as much as the dogma some base their actions on.  Until 9-11 Americans were blissfully unaware of the issue between Jew and Muslim.  We were invited to join the fun because we support Israel (as a nation) and since then have become reasonably aware of the course of this struggle.  Americans as a group tend to hate the BEHAVIOR rather than the religion or ethnicity because we are so diverse ourselves.  When modern day Christians start blowing up children at road races and leveling building's and the people in them as an expression of God's will then I will agree with you.  It all gets back to the books Odin.  The Qur'an teaches love and tolerance - but only to other Muslims - no others need apply.  And truth to tell, I'm perfectly happy to leave the discussion alone except that it seems to be forced on myself and all other free peoples by the very Muslims who claim they are misunderstood.  
A Jew killed 29 Palestinians in the Cave of the Patriarchs and was vilified by the vast majority of Jews in Israel and the wider world.  The KKK and Aryan Nation are considered extremist trash by Christians in the US.  Those in Palestine who kill civilians are PRAISED as martyrs to the faith.  Respectfully, can you see why the words of the Qur'an are the indictment of the religion?


I'm just saying anyone can take a few verses out of the Bible or Qu'ran and take it totally out of the context in which it was written. You know those snake handler churches in the Applachian Mountains? They even speak in tongues, too. Well, they take some verses out of the Bible QUITE LITERALLY.


Practitioners believe serpent handling dates to antiquity and quote the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of Luke to support the practice:


And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)


Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)


View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 24 April 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

All religion is bad.

No, it's not. Only when taken too far, just like with anything else.

I really like learning about other people's religions and cultures, and admittedly, I've never read the whole Qu'ran, I've only ever heard about the history of Islam and have heard a few of the passages. Honestly, I think the religious extremists of Islam are taking the Qu'ran just TOO literally. Just like some Christians do. Maybe not to the same violent extreme, but check this out: http://news.yahoo.co...-111713837.html

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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.
Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.
Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.
"There are way more questions than answers at this point. We haven't seen the autopsy report. We don't know the cause of death of this child," Jayaraman told The Associated Press. "What we do know is Mr. and Mrs. Schaible are distraught, they are grieving, they are tremendously sad about the loss of their most recent baby."
A man who answered the phone at a listing for Herbert Schaible declined to comment and hung up.
A jury convicted the Schaibles of involuntary manslaughter in the January 2009 death of their 2-year-old son, Kent. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite. His parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they had thought he was getting better.
The Schaibles were sentenced to 10 years' probation.
At a hearing Monday, a judge told the couple they had violated the terms of their probation, noting the Schaibles had told investigators that they prayed to God to make Brandon well instead of seeking medical attention.
"You did that once, and the consequences were tragic," Philadelphia Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner said, according to the Philadelphia Daily News.
Prosecutors on Monday sought to have the couple jailed, but Lerner permitted them to remain free because their seven other children had been placed in foster care.
"He feels they are a danger to their children — not to the community, but to their own children," Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore, who prosecuted the couple in 2010, said Tuesday.
Herbert Schaible, 44, and his 43-year-old wife grew up in the First Century Gospel Church in northeast Philadelphia and have served as teachers there. The church's website has a sermon titled "Healing — From God or Medicine?" that quotes Bible verses purportedly forbidding Christians from visiting doctors or taking medicine.
"It is a definite sin to trust in medical help and pills; and it is real faith to trust on the Name of Jesus for healing," says the message, from last May.

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