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#46    Nefer-Ankhe

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:18 AM

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One thing that has historically happened when a poorer nation with lots of population is next to a richer nation.... Invasion... War.

Therefore, high unstainable populations, branch of to cause furthermore problems = war.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:06 PM

This topic seems well suited to mention Ray Kurzweil (prolific inventor and futurist) and his predictions of the singularity, trans-humanism, and the exponential growth of technology (i.e. the more computational power the more things we can invent .

While these ideas, that all matter will be imbued with "human technology" and immortality might be achieved through virtual or digital means, sounds crazy, very smart and wealthy people are working very hard to accomplish it.
I am seeing more and more articles regarding self-assembly, biological transistor tech and bioengineering.  Also smaller and smaller cpu predictions leading to "smart dust" that may be hard to control.  Look at the problems we've had with GMO seed dispersal.

That all leads me to believe that this way of life might become inevitable.  One of two scenarios might evolve - either this tech becomes cheaper and more accessible to all (hard to get away from) - or only it will be only for the rich and we start seeing divergent human evolution with those that can afford to participate in the new world and those that can't.  

See the new movie trailer called "Elysium" - not that far fetched.  Farther back - Gattaca...Planet of the Apes...Time Machine.  And these are just pop-culture fiction.  
We've known this divergence is coming for a long time and modern culture has been fascinated by eugenics since the 19th century.  

Do we foresee the future, or will it?


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

View Postfoghum, on 30 April 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

This topic seems well suited to mention Ray Kurzweil (prolific inventor and futurist) and his predictions of the singularity, trans-humanism, and the exponential growth of technology (i.e. the more computational power the more things we can invent .

While these ideas, that all matter will be imbued with "human technology" and immortality might be achieved through virtual or digital means, sounds crazy, very smart and wealthy people are working very hard to accomplish it.
I am seeing more and more articles regarding self-assembly, biological transistor tech and bioengineering.  Also smaller and smaller cpu predictions leading to "smart dust" that may be hard to control.  Look at the problems we've had with GMO seed dispersal.

That all leads me to believe that this way of life might become inevitable.  One of two scenarios might evolve - either this tech becomes cheaper and more accessible to all (hard to get away from) - or only it will be only for the rich and we start seeing divergent human evolution with those that can afford to participate in the new world and those that can't.  

See the new movie trailer called "Elysium" - not that far fetched.  Farther back - Gattaca...Planet of the Apes...Time Machine.  And these are just pop-culture fiction.  
We've known this divergence is coming for a long time and modern culture has been fascinated by eugenics since the 19th century.  

Do we foresee the future, or will it?

I wouldn't buy quite as much into uploading concsciousness as some futurists want you to. There are still very large obstacles to be overcome. Keep in mind, a lot of the people you mention have books they want to sell you before you upload yourself, so they have a vested interest in what you're aware (and not aware) of.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:33 PM

View Postdreamland, on 25 April 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

What you think will happen in next 100 years and beyond? Will we finally know the real truth behind ancient mysteries like ufo's, crop circles, ancient places like stonehenge or pyramids in giza, and who we really are? The proof is there, but what is the purpose? Why there is so many questions and not too many answers? Does our ancestors are trying to tell us something? Whats your opinion?

In the next 100 years WWIII will break out, and it will start in Asia, either between Pakistan and India, or North Korea and Japan.

We will not discover alternative energy sources that can truely replace oil.

We will not travel to the stars, and the furthest we will go is Mars, a manned mission. Technical problems will prevent the astronauts from returning, and space travel will fall flat on it's rear end.

We will discover remnants of very ancient cultures (not civilizations) on the bottom of the Persian Gulf, the North Sea and the Caribbean with the same level of advancement as seen in ancient Anatolia (Göbekli Tepe, Çatalhöyük). Great, but no flying saucers, aliens, magic crystals or ray guns.

Many countries will experience mass movements of people because of water shortage, and that will be the cause for several localized wars.

The US will break up after a short and rather 'mild' civil war. The EEC will break up too, France and Germany will be first to break away from the EEC.

Rising sea levels will cause many to go on the move. People from Bangladesh will try to enter the surrounding countries, but many will be massacred.

People from the Netherlands will move en masse to Scandinavia, Canada, Belgium and Germany after a Muslim terrorist attack that blasted the sea dikes which will drown millions in their sleep (around half past 3 in the morning). These countries will have invited the surviving Dutch, but will regret it soon later.

Most of the tropical rain forests will have disappeared in a century from now, and parts of the Amazon jungle will be desert. The up-thing will be that the remnants of an unknown South American civilization will be discovered that will rewrite the history of the Americas. And not only of the Americas.

The Arctic will be completely free of ice the year round, and trade between what's then Russia and North America will top. Also a lot of oil will be found in the area, and after decades of shortage, all will be well again.

China will invade Russia, and take over everything., including the oil. The Russians will not put up much of a fight, and all - Chinese and Russians - will all be living happily ever after.

People will settle on the ice free areas of Antarctica; it will bloom and will look like present day Scandinavia.  Well, they will be the outcasts and the desperate, but they will survive.... and thrive. And the Antarcticans will be the ones who will push technologcal and social advancement to a stage never seen before in human history. The Antarcticans will be the ones who will find a way to travel to the stars, in about 300 years time.


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I hope they will still be able to brew beer.

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Edited by Abramelin, 01 May 2013 - 08:01 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:16 PM

We will enter in magnetic age.

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 01 May 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:


We will not travel to the stars, and the furthest we will go is Mars, a manned mission. Technical problems will prevent the astronauts from returning, and space travel will fall flat on it's rear end.

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What about multi generation ship?

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:01 PM

View Postjaylemurph, on 01 May 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

I wouldn't buy quite as much into uploading concsciousness as some futurists want you to. There are still very large obstacles to be overcome. Keep in mind, a lot of the people you mention have books they want to sell you before you upload yourself, so they have a vested interest in what you're aware (and not aware) of.

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Our brains are being constantly 'instructed' through subliminal messages every single moment we come into contact with the media. Even when we're away from the media the messages is still active and deeply embedded in the subconscious. Takes a lot of self will to catch oneself whenever the programs kick in, how many have we seen some one walk by the shelves in the shopping markets and 'unconsciously' pick up products without realising it and ending up at the counter paying for things they have no need whatsoever for ?
Or the most effective one of all ... "buy more to save more"
And that's just on the surface .... this pool runs deep.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:01 AM

my dna will be mixed with that of a salamander and create a superior new race.

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

   The reality that stupidy exists in abundance doesnt bother me. Its the fact that theres still no cure.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:22 AM

View Postjaylemurph, on 01 May 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

I wouldn't buy quite as much into uploading concsciousness as some futurists want you to. There are still very large obstacles to be overcome. Keep in mind, a lot of the people you mention have books they want to sell you before you upload yourself, so they have a vested interest in what you're aware (and not aware) of.

http://io9.com/you-l...puter-474941498

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Most of the objections raised here are philosphical or ethical ones, not scientific ones. The scientists invovled in this area from all around the world have very differnt opinions. The basic point is that there is no evidence that human self awareness/consciousness is anything more then an evolved organic property of our brain.

Given that, once we build computers that work like our brains (claimed to be achievable in less than 2 decades by scientists who have been working on this since the 1960s) then; first they will devlop thier own human type and level of consciousness, and second they will be suitable to store human consciousnesss in. But the real object is probably the direct transfer of conscious awareness and memory form one human host ot another.  This will possibly be do-able before transfer to artificial brains as we are very close now. In that scenario, only ethical/philosphical issues remain, and they have never stopped humans from attempting anything.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:48 AM

In reality, for 100 years time there are only two realistic scenarios.
The first and depressing possibilty is a war, or wars, which throw(s) humanity back out of our present technological development and takes several centuries to recover from.

The second is a lot more positive and interesting if also a liitle scary to people from today.

Based on present developments in science, here are the things that WILL be real in 100 years time. First the abilty to produce energy in amounts and at prices unbelievable today.

Second the ability, with that energy, to have complete manipulation of matter and energy. This will allow two very important developments. The use of energy fields instead of solid constructs in general building of all types, and second the ability to use computer based templates to re (construct) anything, from food to solid objects, using only energy and raw materials.

Third, and something which will develop in conjunction with the first two, is the transmission of matter, including living matter/people, by "transmat beam"

So a first world person will live in a house without physical walls or furniture. They will simply "dial up" on demand, the shape of their walls, the configuration of internal walls, and the furnishings of a house  constructed from energy fields. These can be made to appear solid, opaque, translucent or transparent /invisible, as desired.

So your bed will be a force field which can be turned off during the day, for example. There will be no solid windows and doors . These can be reconfigured  and repositioned, as desired by the owner. In fact doors may not be used at all. People, goods and services, will be beamed into a house and leave the same way, without physically breaching the walls. Security will exist in the programming to allow legitimate entry and stop illegitimate entry. When you want a meal or a new pair of shoes you will dial up, and this will be transmitted to your home, or alternatively created "on site" from a machine in your home.  The objects will be created "on demand" as they are ordered. Roads, railways, cars, planes etc., will only exist as fascinating antiques, or for thrill seeking antiquarians.

You will be able to live under the sea, or in space, in such a habitat

Next is the area of nano technology At present we can construct nano machines so small that 300 million of them can fit on one full stop in this typing, and each machine constructs others of its type. These will possibly be outdated in 100 years but in the meantime they will revolutionise medicine and all aspects of science.

Humans will be virtually immortal, either through advances in medical science or via artificial intelligences cloning etc The population will be less than it is now, perhaps considerably less, and while some gap will remain,  almost all humans  will be richer, healthier, longer lived, and more prosperous than any one of us is now, if you dont believe this look back a 100 years the richest person in the world could stil die from tetanus polio the flu or one of many diseases.  The slightest infection could and would kill you,. heart disease  was untreatable and when an organ wore out it meant death .

I am richer in material terms, and in what i can do with the money I earn, than anyone but the very richest men from 100 years ago, and i am just a humble school teacher on half pay. :innocent:  For example if i wanted to, I could afford to travel around the world by air or sea in luxury; something only the very richest of people could do 100 years ago (and then not by air at all.)


Humans will control machines via thought alone and they will be able to speak mind to mind via neural transmiiters/receivers implanted in ther brains. (Mind you this is inprogress now so it might be very old hat in 100 years) For example australian scientists have just invented an implanted neural device which very accuratley predicts , using coloured lights on a small hand held device, when epileptics are in a danger zone for having a seizure,  (Almost every seizure recorded occured in such a  zone) and when there is almost no chance of them having one in the next few hours or more.
I could go on and on in many areas, but the truth is self evident. If we do not destroy ourselves, the next 100 years will be seen as a golden age for humanity. We WILL have habitats on the moon, mars, and the asterioid belt. There will be manufacturing stations at the lagrange points. Some of these will be self sustaining and self sufficient within a hundred years. And there will be much more exploration of space, including probably manned ships to most of the nearer planets at least. There may even be settlements on some of the more hospitable moons of the large planets.

It is not about resources but about the availabilty of energy and what humans can do with virtually unlimited energy supplies. Eg food and water simply are not a problem, given enough economical energy.

Edited by Mr Walker, 02 May 2013 - 07:10 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:54 AM

in a 100 years humans will be virtually immortal having complete manipulation of matter and energy? holy sheepshit.
i can only hope these piece of **** tablets function better by then. for my sake and yours. this post editing sucks.in 100 years i believe reality tv will be common conscious synonymous with the decline of human insight. education will be even less feeble than it is now. our dna of those to come will be modified and while we may not turn into robots we will surely cater to them.

Edited by Sheep Smart, 02 May 2013 - 07:07 AM.

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

   The reality that stupidy exists in abundance doesnt bother me. Its the fact that theres still no cure.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:25 AM

View PostSheep Smart, on 02 May 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

in a 100 years humans will be virtually immortal having complete manipulation of matter and energy? holy sheepshit.
i can only hope these piece of **** tablets function better by then. for my sake and yours. this post editing sucks.in 100 years i believe reality tv will be common conscious synonymous with the decline of human insight. education will be even less feeble than it is now. our dna of those to come will be modified and while we may not turn into robots we will surely cater to them.

Ah but you see, perhaps you take modern technolgies for granted and expect too much from them. I grew up  before computers were in use, before television was available  and long before mobile phones and the internet. To me a tablet is a wondrous apparition of the gods . I can buy the most modern and best available, for  about two days pay and do magical things with it via wifi/ blu ray and my computer/smart television.

Seriously of course, any technology has initial flaws, but as we use them and as they are improved, we interface with them so seamlessly that we forget we once had to live without them. I cant wait for a pair of google glasses.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:35 AM

Are talking about a future of everyone or a future only for those that can 'afford' it ?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

we might send a man or two to Mars by 100 years from now but i am almost positive well still be staring at the giza pyramid and puma punku while scratching our heads in awe unable to understand how they were constructed.

Edited by Sheep Smart, 02 May 2013 - 08:45 AM.

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:29 AM

View PostSheep Smart, on 02 May 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

we might send a man or two to Mars by 100 years from now but i am almost positive well still be staring at the giza pyramid and puma punku while scratching our heads in awe unable to understand how they were constructed.
But we know perfectly well how they were constructed. I explain the methods used, to children, all the time. You can watch any one of many documentaries that explain how their building was quite possible, using the technology and social structures of those times. Ps man on mars in 20 years. Probably chinese.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.




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