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#16    ninjadude

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:58 AM

View PostMerc14, on 29 April 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

The requirements of obamacare will force most insurance companies out of the healthcare business as policies will be far to expensive for anyone to buy.  This was by design and alluded to by obama himself in a speech to the unions (I have posted that speech here before but don't have time to find now).  Since you will be required to have insurance and the only insurance available is from the government we will have single payer healthcare.

Except this is all BS. It will not force ins companies out of business. It was NOT designed to do this. And Obamacare does NOT provide insurance because the REPUBLICANS would not allow a PUBLIC OPTION.

You guys are so deluded. And HEALTHCARE <> HEALTHCARE INSURANCE

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:06 AM

View Postninjadude, on 30 April 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

Except this is all BS. It will not force ins companies out of business. It was NOT designed to do this. And Obamacare does NOT provide insurance because the REPUBLICANS would not allow a PUBLIC OPTION.

You guys are so deluded. And HEALTHCARE <> HEALTHCARE INSURANCE
Thank God they at least stopped that and please stop with the naive responses.  Do you really still believe the BS that Obama and company put out when they pushed this through?  Really?  If you do I'll leave you be and you can post away but are you not the least bit worried that the Senator Baucus called this a "train wreck"?  I am trying to understand what you are NJ?  Are you an avowed socialist, a liar, a naive democrat that believes all he is told, what are you?  What is your philosophy? Are you a union member and if so which one?

Edited by Merc14, 30 April 2013 - 03:10 AM.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:07 AM

View Postninjadude, on 30 April 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

Except this is all BS. It will not force ins companies out of business. It was NOT designed to do this. And Obamacare does NOT provide insurance because the REPUBLICANS would not allow a PUBLIC OPTION.

You guys are so deluded. And HEALTHCARE <> HEALTHCARE INSURANCE
If medicaid = bills paid, it is directly competing with public health insurance. Obamacare = More Medicaid.

True, it is supposed to cover only those people who don't have any insurance, so technically it is not taking away insurance customers. But it is a step in that direction.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:09 AM

View PostMerc14, on 30 April 2013 - 03:06 AM, said:

Are you an avowed socialist, a liar, a naive democrat that believes all he is told, what are you?  What is your philosophy?
Usually Ninja seems to be a true Blue, modern Dem cool aid drinker, but occationally he can surprise you....

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:46 AM

not suprised by this. Seems business as usual in the District of Columbia.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:25 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 30 April 2013 - 03:07 AM, said:

If medicaid = bills paid, it is directly competing with public health insurance. Obamacare = More Medicaid.

True, it is supposed to cover only those people who don't have any insurance, so technically it is not taking away insurance customers. But it is a step in that direction.

So a bit delusional, like a religious zealot.  There is something more with this guy but I am sure he won't inform us.  He'll just start asking stupid questions or posting ridiculous data that drains you of the will to live refuting.  Why do they do this rather than debate facts?  Well, we know why, because their stand is untenable, but why would an intelligent man see failure after failure of his political  philosophy yet continue to defend and support it?  Nothing liberalism has advanced has succeeded yet they defend it like a religious zealot.  Why?

We'll never know, will we.  NJ will never answer.with anything other than a change of argument.  Is it cowardice?  Fear of reality and an innate need to let the government run everything in their life because they are afraid of the real world?  That is my guess for at least the college kids in a devastated America wih no chance of succeeding but NJ isn't a kid

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:43 AM

In another thread I asked, "Why do minorities continue to support the Democrats?" And the Democrat/Progressive/Liberal answer is that because they believe that Republicans are out to ruin them. To put them down. To subjugate them. In other words... Because they have been brain washed.

Poverty is nearly the same as 100 years ago, and the mix of minoritys is still the same. The numbers of uneducated is also not changing. So... what have the Dems done for minorities lately?

Is Obamacare really going to lift minoritys out of poverty, or even provide them with better healthcare? What legislation by Obama, Democrate Presidents, or Congressional democrats has noticably improved the minority situation in the last 10 years? 25 years?

What "payout" have minoritys reaped for voting Democrat consistantly for decades? Still underemployed, still under educated, still higher percentage in poverty.

Edited by DieChecker, 30 April 2013 - 04:44 AM.

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:35 PM

View Postninjadude, on 30 April 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

Except this is all BS. It will not force ins companies out of business. It was NOT designed to do this. And Obamacare does NOT provide insurance because the REPUBLICANS would not allow a PUBLIC OPTION.

You guys are so deluded. And HEALTHCARE <> HEALTHCARE INSURANCE


Hey Ninja, it hasn't escaped my notice that you have ignored the OP in this thread and not opined on Congress trying exempt themselves from Obamacare.  Why? Are you a union member that got the same deal?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

He's retired I believe...

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 30 April 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

He's retired I believe...

Perhaps the SEIU got him retired at 90% of salary or something.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:32 AM

NJ sure is a controversial character. He pops in with short and usual comments and can stir up a thread for pages. Guess that's rules for radicals. He did once say that even on the ultra rare occasion that he agrees with something we say he will avoid it as to not be called a hypocrite. Yea, that may happen but I think to me it would humanize him a bit as he is very robotic about liberalism.
I firmly believe he is Jay Carney. A few years ago, Robert Gibbs.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:45 AM

Nah.... If he was a famous FedGov Democrat, or even a Illinoise StateGov Democrat, he'd have more through answers then he usually does. He'd have aids to research arguements for him and he'd just present his arguement based on that. But mostly he expresses opinon in an emotional, not always fact based, Appeal to Social Justice. Which a lot of times is very successful.

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:00 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 01 May 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

NJ sure is a controversial character. He pops in with short and usual comments and can stir up a thread for pages. Guess that's rules for radicals. He did once say that even on the ultra rare occasion that he agrees with something we say he will avoid it as to not be called a hypocrite. Yea, that may happen but I think to me it would humanize him a bit as he is very robotic about liberalism.
I firmly believe he is Jay Carney. A few years ago, Robert Gibbs.

He is a great foil to use to illustrate a point to those who may be undecided.  He is a pure leftist zealot that spouts the point papers verbatim.  Throw soem facts at him and he dodges and weaves and avoids answering thus proving your point.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:16 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 30 April 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

Is Obamacare really going to lift minoritys out of poverty,

so here you're not even being serious I see

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or even provide them with better healthcare?

maybe maybe not. One part of the ACA is to provide healthcare for those who don't have it. So yes minitorities, non-monitorites, just about everyone who cannot get healthcare will have "better" healthcare.  It's kind of a no brainer.

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What "payout" have minoritys reaped for voting Democrat consistantly for decades? Still underemployed, still under educated, still higher percentage in poverty.

do you vote based on what you can get out of government? I see the essential difference for republicans now. They're out to get whatever they can and screw everyone else.

Meanwhile "minorities" do not vote based on that stupid idea. Which is why they are democrats.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:22 AM

View PostMerc14, on 30 April 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Hey Ninja, it hasn't escaped my notice that you have ignored the OP in this thread and not opined on Congress trying exempt themselves from Obamacare.  Why? Are you a union member that got the same deal?

Because it's Politico and their unnamed source which may or may not be true. Kind of like a conspiracy theory. Which is most likely what it really is.

No I have never been part of a union but support them strongly. I'm not sure what that has to do with it.

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