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#16    Frank Merton

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 05:25 PM

Okay thanks for that; now I think I got it.  I had the reference kinda upside down.  Cultural marxism is a racist and creationist and know-nothing shorthand for efforts to prevent the forcing of the teaching of their perception of truth rather than accepted doctrine in academic circles.  I would think "cultural fascism" would work better -- they were the experts at forcing schools to teach absurdities, especially of the homophobic and racist types.  Marx tended to be rather favorable to academic freedom, although of course most Communist states are not, at least in practice (there does not exist a Communist constitution that does not guarantee academic freedom, something the American framers missed).  Why Marx was chosen, though, is not hard to imagine.  Old traditions die hard.

I have to say my instincts are anti-Republican most of the time, except stupid Democratic economics (what of it can be said to really exist).  It seems mainly a vote-buying apparatus.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:22 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 28 April 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Seeking the right to teach creationism, the unnaturalness of homosexuality and deny AGW in the classroom, is an example of attempting to subvert the academic process.

None of those desires are an attempt to stifle free speech. Political correctness does put and end to free speech, notably in the form of hate crime legislation for something you might say or print in a book. That's thought police and it happens in the West now. Did any of you watch the Indoctrinate U video?

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It has almost nothing to do with free speech, it is about been able to express a belief as a fact without any evidence and have the state condone it.

You are talking about a vocal few. Creationists I suppose are conservative, but the courts have shut down attempts to teach it. It's just not science. Sexuality and global warming are debatable.

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As for the Marxist chimp - ever heard of irony.
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Despite what most people may imagine I am in no way a Marxist, my views are far to radically ecologically based to fit into any Marxist mould.

Yes, I think we're on the same page there.

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For those right wingers who imagine that environmentalism is a Marxist plot - dumbasses  your've just proved my point !!!

Sadly there are some here on UM. I keep asking myself what on earth conservatives are conserving. All this political debate is probably moot.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 28 April 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

How can someone claim to be in the middle if all they ever do is attack the left and support the right? Conservatives disingenuously claiming moderate positions is akin to racists claiming they are not intolerant yet everything they say is an understated claim to their intolerance even if they are cowards who cannot come out and simply state their honest positions.

I have made it quite clear that I am a right leaning Libertarian. People like you claim they are open minded and accept everyone, unless it's the right wing. You are the one claiming racism when people are simply stating facts. I have relatives of all colors, religions and *gasp* even gay. My surrogate family are Arabs and they understand, better than you, what is going on in the world from a less one sided view.

But, let us not forget the mantra of the true racists, akin to Jesse Jackson, looking for racism in even the slightest hint somebody doesn't agree with someone of a different race or color. "If they claim to have friends or family of a different color that is a sure sign they are a racist." :rolleyes:

I don't like hypocrites and you've shown your true colors...while proclaiming you want equality and fairness without fear for all...except for Republicans or the Christian right. I've not attacked you in any way. All I've done is challenge your logic and I haven't been given a satisfactory responce. People like you don't seem to understand you are as big a bigot as any member of the KKK.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:37 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 28 April 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Okay thanks for that; now I think I got it.  I had the reference kinda upside down.  Cultural marxism is a racist and creationist ... >snip

no, still wrong. go back to post #6 and watch the short interview with David Horowitz for a definition or just check the wiki entry, it's fairly accurate.

Then if you have some time watch the Indoctrinate U video to see cultural Marxism, also known as political correctness, in practice.

Quick question Frank, in Vietnam (or any Communist country) were or are there any academic programs with names like; feminist studies or aboriginal studies or hate studies? Just curious.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:44 PM

View PostMichelle, on 28 April 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

I have made it quite clear that I am a right leaning Libertarian. People like you claim they are open minded and accept everyone, unless it's the right wing. You are the one claiming racism when people are simply stating facts. I have relatives of all colors, religions and *gasp* even gay. My surrogate family are Arabs and they understand, better than you, what is going on in the world from a less one sided view.

But, let us not forget the mantra of the true racists, akin to Jesse Jackson, looking for racism in even the slightest hint somebody doesn't agree with someone of a different race or color. "If they claim to have friends or family of a different color that is a sure sign they are a racist." :rolleyes:

I don't like hypocrites and you've shown your true colors...while proclaiming you want equality and fairness without fear for all...except for Republicans or the Christian right. I've not attacked you in any way. All I've done is challenge your logic and I haven't been given a satisfactory responce. People like you don't seem to understand you are as big a bigot as any member of the KKK.

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no, still wrong. go back to post #6 and watch the short interview with David Horowitz for a definition or just check the wiki entry, it's fairly accurate.

Then if you have some time watch the Indoctrinate U video to see cultural Marxism, also known as political correctness, in practice.

Quick question Frank, in Vietnam (or any Communist country) were or are there any academic programs with names like; feminist studies or aboriginal studies or hate studies? Just curious.

That is not how it really works on a forum. You can post video links but it is not appreciated if one keeps asking others to view them. Instead one should simply provide a script or transcribe any relevant portions they want to bring to our attention. Only then will some comment. You cannot expect anything more.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:55 PM

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

^

Is that one of those questions where there is no any right or wrong answer?

If so and I can safely answer I will have to say it was 9-11 when ignorance became a point of view or maybe January 20, 1981?


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:15 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 28 April 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Instead one should simply provide a script or transcribe any relevant portions they want to bring to our attention. Only then will some comment. You cannot expect anything more.

The documentary takes a look at the overwhelming left wing demographics of today's academia and admin. It follows the repercussions of not towing the party line and subsequent court vindications.

The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, or FIRE is interviewed in this doc and they also admit the overwhelming number of cases brought to them by "conservative" students.

"The mission of FIRE is to defend and sustain individual rights at America's colleges and universities. These rights include freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience — the essential qualities of individual liberty and dignity."

You can peruse all their caseshere to see for yourself.

Here's an example;

"June 1, 2009California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly), which has already once been on the losing side of a free speech lawsuit, has suspended an unconstitutional program targeting professors and students whose speech is "biased" or not "politically correct." The program even planned to let students report complaints anonymously, meaning that those deemed "politically incorrect" might never have known whom they had offended or why. Under pressure from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), Cal Poly has promised that any future CARE-Net program (short for Community Advocating REspect) "will not function to suppress controversial, offensive, or any other kind of protected speech."

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 28 April 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

Recently the term "cultural Marxism" has been introduced on this forum. It is not a brand new concept but one many might not be familiar with due to it lacking any acaemic cache, that it is only used among certain circles, and unless you were visiting certain websites you might have never heard about it.

We can explore this term and which groups use it, how they use, and why.



http://en.wikipedia....ultural_Marxism

We can clearly see that it is not scholars who use this word, instead it is pundits (and others:see below) and they believe our schools have been subverted.

Their mistrust for academia is the epitome of anti-intellectualism. They do not favor the scholar but instead rely on pundits and others to derive their worldview.


Do you think always blindly trusting "academia" is the epitome of intellectualism? Do you think something as emotionally based as a political world view has any place in academia? You have some incredibly baseless assertions and some strange associations that I doubt you could actually argue without resorting to circular logic and assumptions. I wouldn't mind a response instead of just "liking" my posts. Sorry if these questions are offensive or hard to answer, but lies rarely last forever. Anyways, the cultural marxism line is a bit extreme but its really not hard to see the parallels to political correctness. Not everything "progressives" dont want to here is actually offensive or intolerant, its justs makes it easier for them to "win" an argument if they can show outrage at anything that challenges their beliefs, rather than actually arguing their points using logical argumentation. How "intellectual" is that really?


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

View Postand then, on 28 April 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

So the left/right conflict remains fully engaged while our civilization is destroyed.  Gotcha'.  Having other humans around who have differing opinions about what is correct - that are just as deeply held - puts a real damper on one's agenda.
I don't care how different people views are from my own if they argue from an honest basis of evidence - ie verifiable facts.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:33 AM

Cuba seems to be doing ok.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:42 AM

I think what this proves more than anything else is what utter nonsense, and how utterly pointless, all this silly "Left/Right", "Lib/Conservative", "Repub/Commie Marxist Socialist" drivel is. None of it makes the slightest difference, and that's why people spend so much time squabbling about silliness, because they know that, whichever party's logo they have on a little pin on their epaulette, it makes no difference at all, and none of their precious, defend-ed-to-the-death Parties have the ability to make the slightest difference at all.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

View Postredhen, on 28 April 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Quick question Frank, in Vietnam (or any Communist country) were or are there any academic programs with names like; feminist studies or aboriginal studies or hate studies? Just curious.
I would say you get a huge dose of all those things under the label of "Dialectic Materialism," which is not at all what it sounds like, since things like the Western "evils" of sexism and homophobia and racism and, most especially, discrimination based on social or economic class, so on are the main topics.  The idea of a "hate crime" is new to me.  A crime is a crime, and what may have been the motivation is not really relevant here in how it is treated.  (These courses, by the way, in most colleges, can be skipped if you pass a rather cursory test showing that you are already aware).I would add that the homophobia part is new and a reversal.  It use to be that the existence of homosexuality was either denied or just ignored.  Now the traditional Vietnamese tolerance of this behavior has been noted and picked up as a positive.  I've seen hints on that subject in the press about Uncle Ho himself, although of course who could possibly know?


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:51 AM

Let me add a few things to what I just said

First, the government has always had an ongoing problem about non-Vietnamese "hill country" people -- I think our equivalent of aboriginals.  The old efforts to force Vietnamese on them in school are largely abandoned, and they are now taught in their native tongues, with English and Vietnamese taught those tagged for academic futures.  Still, there continues to be problems here because often the natives' interests and the development plans of the central planners are in conflict, especially with respect to the growing of coffee, which I take it requires large operations to be efficient, and the natives want to keep their small landholdings.  When it comes down to it, my reaction here is that while I feel the natives should be fully compensated, they have no more of a special right to hold up progress than does anyone else.  This whole thing is a subject of ongoing lively debate.

There is of course no effort here to teach anything other than Darwinian evolution.  None of the major religions (Buddhists, Catholics, Caodaists, etc.) has any problem admitting we are apes.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 29 April 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Cuba seems to be doing ok.

Seems a lot of Cuba's hardship is because a lot other people is not 'ok' with Cuba being 'ok'

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