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#31    Frank Merton

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:27 AM

Cuba's only real problem in my opinion is that the leadership entrenched itself, unlike other Communist countries like Vietnam and China, where a regular turnover in the leadership is now assured.  New leaders are needed periodically for new ideas and so old ideas that didn't work can be abandoned without loss of face.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:29 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 29 April 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

Cuba's only real problem in my opinion is that the leadership entrenched itself, unlike other Communist countries like Vietnam and China, where a regular turnover in the leadership is now assured.  New leaders are needed periodically for new ideas and so old ideas that didn't work can be abandoned without loss of face.
And funnily enough, "Democratic" countries are far less likely to try any new ideas, because all they can think about is the short term, and the next election, and so the only things they think about are "might there be votes in it for me or my nominated successor at the next election?". Really, "Democracy" is the most inefficient possible system.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

Yes, Britny...people like you...the masters of divisiveness, the creators of conflict.

I see Republicans that are just as bad, but they don't claim they simply want everyone to get along without fear, like you do.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:16 PM

View PostMichelle, on 29 April 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

Yes, Britny...people like you...the masters of divisiveness, the creators of conflict.

I see Republicans that are just as bad, but they don't claim they simply want everyone to get along without fear, like you do.
And george W. "For us or against us" Bush wasn't a creator of divisiveness or Conflict, was he. Although no, to be fair, he certainly didn't try to claim he wanted everyone to get along. He wasn't worried who he antagonised.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

Note to self: try to avoid antagonizing people.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:55 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 29 April 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

And george W. "For us or against us" Bush wasn't a creator of divisiveness or Conflict, was he. Although no, to be fair, he certainly didn't try to claim he wanted everyone to get along. He wasn't worried who he antagonised.

Absolutely right. He is divisive, but in that sense he is no hypocrite. In threads pertaining to Muslims Brit claims divisiveness and fear are what is keeping them in a bad light and we should be more accepting of them and other people in general. Then she proceeds to start these inflammatory threads about half of the people in the US. In my opinion, this is certainly an odd way to promote unity.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:09 PM

The primary tool of the right is to scapegoat the other, blame the internal problems of the state on some external or internal divisive element. It is a convenient way of avoiding facing the reality that some of their ideas have caused social division and conflict and even poverty. A belief system which relies so heavily on ideology cannot counternance the possibility that their treasured ideas might be flawed and so they look for someone to blame other than themselves.

The fundamental difference that the liberal has in approaching problems is first to attempt to understand the drivers before formulating the solution. They may and do get it wrong, but their approach is at least self correcting in that it attempts to analyze its own flaws.

As such the scapegoating of the Muslims and other minorities is a dangerous diversion from what is really wrong, which is an economic system which is fundamentally built on flawed axioms which have eventual failure built in. Better to face that reality and attemp[t to formulate a solution rather than blaming terrorists, gays, liberals etc etc etc for all that has gone wrong with society.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:39 PM

And the scapegoat of the left is to cry racism when confronted with facts. Ask Bill Cosby. He has been ostracized by a great deal of the black community because he tried to tell it like it is without sugar coating it.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:49 PM

There is a difference between analysis and racism, the problem is that the right has always had a natural tendency to attract racists. To my mind they need confronting for what they are - racists.
My dad was, and probably still is a passive racist, he found it very challenging when I brought home an Indian girlfriend - but I think it did him good to confront his prejudice and realize that when you scratch the skin we are all red underneath.

I will freely admit that the situation is usually far more complex than it appears on the surface, but most people operate from instinctive predjudice and I think we are a better people when we confront those thoughtless mindforms for what they are. There has been an active campaign within America to demonize Muslims and Muslim nations for politically expedient objectives and I believe we should be confronting that for what it is - cynical manipulation. if for nothing else, I praise Obama for attempting to rain in the hate that the Bush Jr. gifted to the American people.


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Edited by Br Cornelius, 29 April 2013 - 07:54 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 April 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

There is a difference between analysis and racism, the problem is that the right has always had a natural tendency to attract racists. To my mind they need confronting for what they are - racists.
My dad was, and probably still is a passive racist, he found it very challenging when I brought home an Indian girlfriend - but I think it did him good to confront his prejudice and realize that when you scratch the skin we are all red underneath.

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To think Republicans are all racists is a fallacy and is no better than thinking all blacks are in a gang. It's perfectly acceptable to sterotype a very large group of people because they are mostly white. It's still bigotry.

I was estranged from my very outspoken racist mother when I started working for Arabs, who became my surrogate family at seventeen. After several years of hearing how good they were to me, she had to admit they aren't what she had believed them to be. She had no interest in politics at all, had no policital affiliation and was Christian in name only, but she was still a bigot.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

The right has and does use race as a political tool. It does so to attract a constituency. That's not anything other than a description of history and what Bush Jr. did to the middle east.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 April 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The right has and does use race as a political tool. It does so to attract a constituency. That's not anything other than a description of history and what Bush Jr. did to the middle east.

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The left doesn't? Obama and his press have been getting people geared up to invade Iran for years. I don't understand people not being able to see he has fallen right into Bush's footsteps.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:27 PM

View PostMichelle, on 29 April 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

The left doesn't? Obama and his press have been getting people geared up to invade Iran for years. I don't understand people not being able to see he has fallen right into Bush's footsteps.
Let me put it this way, Bush or his Republican replacement would already have invaded Iran. Obama has not and is unlikely to invade Iran in his term in office. He has a bellicose military industrial complex biting at his heels and advisers from the CIA urging him to go to war. the fact that he has not, and is unlikely to invade Iran, should tell you a lot.

I think this represents something of the Liberal pragmatism over the ideological drive to dominate.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 April 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Let me put it this way, Bush or his Republican replacement would already have invaded Iran. Obama has not and is unlikely to invade Iran in his term in office. He has a bellicose military industrial complex biting at his heels and advisers from the CIA urging him to go to war. the fact that he has not, and is unlikely to invade Iran, should tell you a lot.

I think this represents something of the Liberal pragmatism over the ideological drive to dominate.

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Try googling where the US military are currently deployed and get back to me on our "pacifist" pres. Of course, I already know your answer because you have been watching the news he bought and paid for, but they aren't humanitarian missions.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

View PostMichelle, on 29 April 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

Try googling where the US military are currently deployed and get back to me on our "pacifist" pres. Of course, I already know your answer because you have been watching the news he bought and paid for, but they aren't humanitarian missions.
The US military have been deployed on the borders of Iran since the Iraq war. I heard this from the horses mouth from a British Military security expert who was serving in Iraq. It has been the defacto sitaution for the best part of a decade by now.

Obama has at least stopped them crossing that border.



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