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#76    redhen

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 30 April 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

Can you first offer me the following: a definition of "cultural Marxism" from an unbiased and academic source (you know the kind that has a term written and then a definition next to it) and then find academic consensus that would agree with that exact definition? An Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy would be acceptable.

What's wrong with the wiki definition? And why the onus on me to prove academic consensus of a given definition?

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Keep in mind that "cultural Marxism" is an actual term, it is used one way in academia (please find it) and another by conservative cultural warriors (the one that was addressed in the OP).

Obviously you have found a definition you like, would you mind sharing it with us?

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"Cultural Marxism" was a term developed by the Frankfurt School, which no longer exists as a group of scholars all bound around the academic term. There is a reason they no longer exist or why academic circles today do not gather around that term.

The way right-wing ideologues use and apply the term is not the way the Frankfurt school did.

Alright then, show us the denotations and connotations of the phrase as used by these two groups. Don't keep us guessing, just tell us what you think.

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Have you actually read anything from those professors you listed? Have you ready, in context, how they use it? They are not describing what you are when you use the term.

No I haven't the read the books listed by wiki as references. Obviously you have read them and can see how I use the term incorrectly. So enlighten us then, show us where I'm all wrong.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

I've decided not to take the time to compile any lists. This isn't my first round with a guy like you Brit. You will refute anything that doesn't fit your narrative. I'm not going to waste an hour forming a long post only to have you tell me how unsophisticated I am and how academic you are. I will however give a quick rundown from the top of my head of examples of left wing sources going out of their way to blame a white right wing guy for racism or vile acts when it either didn't exist or wasnt a white or right wing guy.

The entire George Zimmerman debacle. NBC edited the 9-11 call to make it sound racist and fuel racial tensions. It was said that George was white. Turns out he isn't. Didn't matter, the flame was lit.
Every effort by the MSM to find racism in the TEA Party. They couldn't. Not even with multi thousand dollar rewards to anyone with proof. All they ever found were left wing plants.
Left wing commentators were seething for the Boston Bombers to be white. Surely you can remember back that far. Turns out they may have been white but not right wing. They were in fact muslim extremists from another country but lets not jump to any conclusions as that would be mean.
Jared Laughner and James Holmes both were pathetically tied to right wing extremism by the MSM. Yea, they were wrong.
Al Sharpton... Everything he says.
Chris Matthews... Every other thing he says.

There are plenty more examples of vile acts of racist liberalism that can be brought up. It's all nonsense and you'll excuse it anyways but it definitely seems to me that there is a major effort to manufacture fear of the right and you are a part of it.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 30 April 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:


Fundamentally Liberalism is all about pragmatism, doing the best for everyone and not just a minority.


That sounds nice.  But I think that I'll decide what's best for me and my family. :)


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:49 PM

View Postredhen, on 30 April 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

What's wrong with the wiki definition? And why the onus on me to prove academic consensus of a given definition?

Then if you cannot do as I asked, even if you use this term quite often, and reintroduced that term to our forum recently, which means you should know the exact definiton for it, but if you cannot offer an adequate definition for a term you use then could you at least give us what you believe the wiki definition for "cultural Marxism" is?

That is just a simple cut & paste after all...

If you do that I will then do the hard work and answer the questions you have already asked below in addition to contrasting your given and understood definition with the one I will offer. Deal or no deal?


View Postredhen, on 30 April 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Obviously you have found a definition you like, would you mind sharing it with us?

Alright then, show us the denotations and connotations of the phrase as used by these two groups. Don't keep us guessing, just tell us what you think.

No I haven't the read the books listed by wiki as references. Obviously you have read them and can see how I use the term incorrectly. So enlighten us then, show us where I'm all wrong.


Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 30 April 2013 - 09:50 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:21 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 30 April 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I've decided not to take the time to compile any lists. This isn't my first round with a guy like you Brit. You will refute anything that doesn't fit your narrative. I'm not going to waste an hour forming a long post only to have you tell me how unsophisticated I am and how academic you are. I will however give a quick rundown from the top of my head of examples of left wing sources going out of their way to blame a white right wing guy for racism or vile acts when it either didn't exist or wasnt a white or right wing guy.

The entire George Zimmerman debacle. NBC edited the 9-11 call to make it sound racist and fuel racial tensions. It was said that George was white. Turns out he isn't. Didn't matter, the flame was lit.
Every effort by the MSM to find racism in the TEA Party. They couldn't. Not even with multi thousand dollar rewards to anyone with proof. All they ever found were left wing plants.
Left wing commentators were seething for the Boston Bombers to be white. Surely you can remember back that far. Turns out they may have been white but not right wing. They were in fact muslim extremists from another country but lets not jump to any conclusions as that would be mean.
Jared Laughner and James Holmes both were pathetically tied to right wing extremism by the MSM. Yea, they were wrong.
Al Sharpton... Everything he says.
Chris Matthews... Every other thing he says.

There are plenty more examples of vile acts of racist liberalism that can be brought up. It's all nonsense and you'll excuse it anyways but it definitely seems to me that there is a major effort to manufacture fear of the right and you are a part of it.

LOL, suddenly being part Jewish and part Mexican makes you white. I thought white people didn't exist, only individual nationalities and ethnic groups exist. They actually lightened Zimmerman's photo. And we're supposed to believe the left isn't full of hate. Boy Brittney, I sure wish you would have met me 5 or 6 years ago when I was lefty, we could have had a blast spreading our hate based propaganda around the forum.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:17 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 30 April 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

Then if you cannot do as I asked..... >snip

If you do that I will then do the hard work and answer the questions you have already asked below in addition to contrasting your given and understood definition with the one I will offer. Deal or no deal?

I'll play this game one last time, ok here ya go;

"Cultural Marxism refers to a school or offshoot of Marxism that analyses culture as the deciding factor in posited oppression, rather than the economic factors that Karl Marx emphasized.[1] An outgrowth of Western Marxism (especially Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School) and finding popularity in the 1960s as cultural studies, Cultural Marxism argues that oppressive power structures exist within traditional cultural artifacts Western society like capitalism, nationalism, the nuclear family, gender, race, or cultural identity;[1] and that the goal of Cultural Marxism is to use Marx's methods (e.g., dialectic materialism) within academia to expose and challenge such "capitalist hegemony".[2]"

So tell us now what's wrong with this definition, but more importantly address the questions about the overwhelming number of left-wing academics and admin in U.S. colleges and their tyranny of niceness.


Here's a 4 min video from FIREabout political correctness and the stifling of free speech.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:28 PM

That is not a definition, that is a huge paragraph. Offer us a definition and I will follow through. If you must shorten that down to an exact and precise definition.

If you cannot then it tells us you are using terms which you do not even know the definition for.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:34 PM

View PostGlorfindel, on 30 April 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:



LOL, suddenly being part Jewish and part Mexican makes you white. I thought white people didn't exist, only individual nationalities and ethnic groups exist. They actually lightened Zimmerman's photo. And we're supposed to believe the left isn't full of hate. Boy Brittney, I sure wish you would have met me 5 or 6 years ago when I was lefty, we could have had a blast spreading our hate based propaganda around the forum.
My curiosity has piqued. How far left were you and what turned you in the other direction and where would you say you stand today?
Just a hunch, was liberalism not working out in the real world for you?


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 30 April 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

That is not a definition, that is a huge paragraph. Offer us a definition and I will follow through. If you must shorten that down to an exact and precise definition.

If you cannot then it tells us you are using terms which you do not even know the definition for.

Ok, I'm done with this game. You don't have to answer those questions I've asked three times now. Just forget it. Thanks for starting this thread though, good job. It exposes political correctness for what it is, intellectual thuggery.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

You have proven you cannot concisely define a term you insist on using. You can retire this issue for yourself if you so desire.

You have given up and that proves much. Keep on using "cultural Marxism" but some here will understand you are unable to define it.

I will eventually answer your questions anyways to the best of my ability. Still reading from those three professors you listed and preparing...

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 30 April 2013 - 11:59 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:16 AM

The definition is quite plain in that paragraph. I certainly understand what it is based on a brief reading.

I'd argue that those traditional cultural artifacts should be thouroughly examined as part of a proper education, but through a critical lense, not an ideological one. It sounds to me though that these Cultural Marxists are just another boogeyman. Political Correctness is a gigantic beast stemming from both the left and right. It is not just the work of a coven of stuffy intellectuals plotting to overthrow western society.

The focus should be on the PC crowd. If you limit peoples vocabularies you reduce the variety of ideas they can express. People should be compelled to use polite language out of decency, not because it fits the 'accepted' vocabulary.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:29 AM

View PostAlmagest, on 01 May 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

The definition is quite plain in that paragraph. I certainly understand what it is based on a brief reading.

I'd argue that those traditional cultural artifacts should be thouroughly examined as part of a proper education, but through a critical lense, not an ideological one. It sounds to me though that these Cultural Marxists are just another boogeyman. Political Correctness is a gigantic beast stemming from both the left and right. It is not just the work of a coven of stuffy intellectuals plotting to overthrow western society.

The focus should be on the PC crowd. If you limit peoples vocabularies you reduce the variety of ideas they can express. People should be compelled to use polite language out of decency, not because it fits the 'accepted' vocabulary.
This is a precursor to Newspeak then? You can only reduce the variety of ideas people can express if the words no longer exist in the language, while this is going the other way by introducing lots of exciting new words! Everyone's a winner!

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:51 AM

Orwell did well to write that book he wrote all those years ago ...

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:14 AM

View Posttapirmusic, on 30 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

That sounds nice.  But I think that I'll decide what's best for me and my family. :)
Then I suggest you go and live on a desert island where no one else can interfere in you pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:18 AM

Oh there would be bound to be some endangered moth or bird or crab or something on the island and  they would have to leave.





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