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#91    Kludge808

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:21 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 May 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Rubbish obviously the pilot was drunk and it was a weather balloon. Good God man, swamp gas is not blue and yellow. It's only yellow.
Doubt the drunk part really.  An A320 isn't the sort of a/c anyone under the influence could readily handle.  Also, weather balloons generally aren't released anywhere near a glide path or whee the wind might take it into one.

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But seriously, do any witness reports exist? The Pilot thought an ultralight might be the answer, but too high up I am guessing, so does that indicate what he saw would appear to be man made and not natural phenomena?
3500' is a bit high for an ultralight but it's not out of range either.  Usually they operate a bit closer to the ground but you know these Scots* ... ;-)  The colors would be right however according to the BBC story one would be "radar significant" (which is a new phrase for me) as would any of a number of other possibilities.  There was another witness on board - a dead-heading pilot, I think - so the A320's pilot did have a second set of eyes on it.

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The coloration may well indicate paint, which seems to indicate a terrestrial answer as well?
That would be my take although precisely what I'm not sure.  Again, referring back to the article, pretty much all the possibilities would have been spotted on radar.  OTOH, radar can be fooled in any of a number of ways.  I'm not talking about stealth but other means that are known and understood ... although things may have changed a lot since I was a scope dope.

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Why would one consider this event as even possibly ET?
Good grief, doesn't UFO ==> ET?  Come now, old buddy, we both know the woo woo crowd will make that association automatically. :alien:

* I'm part Scot so I'm kind of poking fun at myself as well. :-)

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 May 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

No Sheep?
Nah, we got goats, remember? :-)

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I knew you would fit in well, vitrification has been a hot topic here for some time now with regards to Ancient Aliens. Mostly mirthful, but all the same heavily featured.
You just had to mention that word, didn't you.  Da Big Z will pop in any moment now, you know, with tales of Dunn & Foerster and the rest.

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Quite frankly, I cannot wait to learn more about you. I do hope you become a regular. :wub:
Ahhh, but I'm single ... and, of course, quite interesting. ;-)

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I am more than interested in learning more about you, I have to say you are one of the more interesting people I have met in a while, however, some of the people I have met here are indeed outstanding, and I am sure I will never forget some of these people as long as I live. Some I hope to, and some I am working on forgetting, but all the same, the good outweighs the bad.
Gotta agree with this.  There are "interesting" people and there are interesting people.  We both know both types.

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I think Pilots might be good to tell if a flight characteristic, but we have some here, Hazz is a pilot Donteatus has flown too I understand, but these guys seem to feel just like anyone, something alien is new to us all.
*ahem* :-)  Skyeagle is one too although he talks more about his experience with the hardware than flying.   There were a few others but who they are slips my mind.  I think MID (RIP) was one as well but I'm not 100% certain.

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Leslie Kean did a lot of claiming in her book, but Jim Oberg has put up what I think is a pretty decent rebuttal that puts her book into perspective.  I reckon Kean is just a sneak, an FTB masquerading as a skeptic.
Hmmm ... now would that be a healthy skepticism (as defined by Andromeda Starseed a while back) or an unhealthy one?  :-)

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:02 AM

View Postg00dfella, on 01 May 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

lame answers...

maybe :alien:


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 02 May 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:



I can see why it sits nicely here in the UFO phenomenon section.....unsure as to why you think the Extraterrestrial life is relevant? :innocent:


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:18 AM

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this mystery object turned out to be a BAE Systems Taranis under test. These are pilot-less combat aircraft with a stealthy design, they are pointy at the front and are supposedly radar invisible.

What better way to test its stealth capability than rattle an airliner and have the UK equivalent to the FAA check all of the data from many, many radars and report they saw nothing.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:30 AM

View PostOccams Razor, on 02 May 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this mystery object turned out to be a BAE Systems Taranis under test. These are pilot-less combat aircraft with a stealthy design, they are pointy at the front and are supposedly radar invisible.

What better way to test its stealth capability than rattle an airliner and have the UK equivalent to the FAA check all of the data from many, many radars and report they saw nothing.
Oh yeah that's brilliant !!!! and if something goes wrong, try to explain why the test just killed 200 or so people.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 02 May 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Oh yeah that's brilliant !!!! and if something goes wrong, try to explain why the test just killed 200 or so people.

We would be talking about the MOD here, by definition they are risk takers.

It could also be a Taranis that malfunctioned, perhaps they got it back under control and managed to get it back to base. It does fit the description rather well, the pilot described the object as "pointy at the front" and suggested it may have been an ultra-light aircraft. This suggests a delta shape. The many radar stations would have seen an ultra-light on their radar but saw nothing. The Taranis is delta shaped, it also has a pointy front and is supposedly radar invisible. Taranis is where my money stays.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:27 PM

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 02 May 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

Sweetpumper is not just a believer. He's a member! I know sarcasm is hard to detect on the net

Thanks for that. I didn't realise he was being sarcastic! :passifier:

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:29 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 02 May 2013 - 03:07 AM, said:

Good Old Stanton Friedman eah ? THats another bag of worms. If its Got His name on it THen ITs for Sell ! :tu:

For your information Stanton Friedman is a BSc. and a MSc. in physics. He worked for numerous companies for 14 years as a nuclear physicist. He has been researching the UFO subject for 39 years. In that time he has lectured at more than 600 colleges and 100 professional groups in 50 US states, 10 Canadian provinces and 18 other countries in addition to various nuclear consulting efforts.  He has published more than 90 UFO papers and has appeared on hundreds of radio and TV programs including Larry King in 2007 and twice in 2008, and many documentaries. He has interviewed many reliable witnesses to the Roswell incident and has studied countless government documents as well. He has yet to be talked down by anybody about the subject of flying saucers. You, on the other hand, haven't done anything that remotely compares to what Mr. Friedman has done and achieved - have you?? :P

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

I like Friedman myself. Im not sure as to what exactly he 'sells'. Ive yet to hear him distort claims or over exagerate upon his investigations.

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

   The reality that stupidy exists in abundance doesnt bother me. Its the fact that theres still no cure.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:40 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 02 May 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

either thats a flying carpet psyche or something far more perplexing than a ufo. again atleast a ufo is an explanation.

That's one big carpet :D

Atmospheric disturbances are often very beautiful consider the Aurora, a meteor shower, or an earth light.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:50 PM

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Doubt the drunk part really.  An A320 isn't the sort of a/c anyone under the influence could readily handle.  Also, weather balloons generally aren't released anywhere near a glide path or whee the wind might take it into one.

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Yeah, I agree, was just giving a bit of cheek.

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

3500' is a bit high for an ultralight but it's not out of range either.  Usually they operate a bit closer to the ground but you know these Scots* ... ;-)  The colors would be right however according to the BBC story one would be "radar significant" (which is a new phrase for me) as would any of a number of other possibilities.  There was another witness on board - a dead-heading pilot, I think - so the A320's pilot did have a second set of eyes on it.

Could a large home made RC be an answer? It's been bugging me all along. With people making them up to this big, it seems to me it could be a possibility and might be too small for RADAR? Long way up is a problem I guess, but now we have the opportunity to show some gratuitous semi nudity.

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View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

That would be my take although precisely what I'm not sure.  Again, referring back to the article, pretty much all the possibilities would have been spotted on radar.  OTOH, radar can be fooled in any of a number of ways.  I'm not talking about stealth but other means that are known and understood ... although things may have changed a lot since I was a scope dope.

I don't think we have enough info to speculate why the RADAR did not pick it up, unless someone does admit to being the culprit?

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Good grief, doesn't UFO ==> ET?  Come now, old buddy, we both know the woo woo crowd will make that association automatically. :alien:

* I'm part Scot so I'm kind of poking fun at myself as well. :-)

I'm a bit slow yesterday, hey wait......  dam TGIF.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:00 AM

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Nah, we got goats, remember? :-)

LOL, we do need them to stare at :D

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

You just had to mention that word, didn't you.  Da Big Z will pop in any moment now, you know, with tales of Dunn & Foerster and the rest.

Not me :innocent: sheep smart. She has yet to meet big Z, and fro what I have so far, it could be quite amusing.

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Ahhh, but I'm single ... and, of course, quite interesting. ;-)

But are you regular?

Not sure that came out the way it was intended............................. :unsure:

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Gotta agree with this.  There are "interesting" people and there are interesting people.  We both know both types.

LOL, yes we do

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View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

*ahem* :-)  Skyeagle is one too although he talks more about his experience with the hardware than flying.   There were a few others but who they are slips my mind.  I think MID (RIP) was one as well but I'm not 100% certain.

Yep, we are all in it together, but that's the best part about this place. Can't believe Sky and I are on the same side these days over at CT, he is quite the ET FTB.

View PostKludge808, on 02 May 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Hmmm ... now would that be a healthy skepticism (as defined by Andromeda Starseed a while back) or an unhealthy one?  :-)

I really reckon Kean has a hidden agenda, something about her and her work just always leaves me feeling unclean and uncomfortable, sort of like eating KFC.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:08 AM

View PostMrSerendipity, on 02 May 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Thanks for that. I didn't realise he was being sarcastic! :passifier:


He pretty much always is 99.9% of the time it is side splitting though.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:26 AM

View PostMrSerendipity, on 02 May 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

For your information Stanton Friedman is a BSc. and a MSc. in physics. He worked for numerous companies for 14 years as a nuclear physicist. He has been researching the UFO subject for 39 years. In that time he has lectured at more than 600 colleges and 100 professional groups in 50 US states, 10 Canadian provinces and 18 other countries in addition to various nuclear consulting efforts.  He has published more than 90 UFO papers and has appeared on hundreds of radio and TV programs including Larry King in 2007 and twice in 2008, and many documentaries. He has interviewed many reliable witnesses to the Roswell incident and has studied countless government documents as well. He has yet to be talked down by anybody about the subject of flying saucers. You, on the other hand, haven't done anything that remotely compares to what Mr. Friedman has done and achieved - have you?? :P


But I bet Big D can sleep at night.

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