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Bagram Airfield Crash


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#16    shaddow134

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:57 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 02 May 2013 - 03:50 AM, said:

I wouldn't think that he would try which leads me to believe it was a load shift. Didn't read the op but what I read last night says all weather reports said the air was fairly calm so that rules out some intense updraft.


Unless they snuck in and cut the cargo straps and nobody noticed all they could've done was shoot it down and nothing in the video remotely suggests that.

If the Cargo was to shift to the back of the plane,would this cause the Nose to go up and stall the plane ?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:38 AM

This War on Terror is a loser.  Needless deaths for petty excuses.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:40 AM

Is the same Baghram where they tortued people after kidnapping them off the streets from other countries and took them there?

I wonder if the ghosts of our servicemen and of the ones who were tortured can find peace in the next life where we failed to find it in this one.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 02 May 2013 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

How helpless the crew must have felt.  30 seconds must have felt like an eternity.

Aviation websites say the cargo was trucks, and they must have been secured improperly.  Damn shame.  Certainly the most dramatic footage of a 747 stalling.  Probably ONLY footage of that.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:27 PM

load shift.
pilots knew it right away and radioed tower,
it is not speculation, it is a fact.
load shifts happen, but at the take off, or landing it is "coffin envelope"

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

Coffin Corner, is usually the term, but not applied to out of CG conditions.

I almost don't want to listen, but do you know where the tower communications might be heard Aztek?


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postshaddow134, on 02 May 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:



If the Cargo was to shift to the back of the plane,would this cause the Nose to go up and stall the plane ?
Heck if I know but apparently it is so. I know nothing of aviation but I found this video fascinating not in a good way though.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:56 PM

View Postshaddow134, on 02 May 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

If the Cargo was to shift to the back of the plane,would this cause the Nose to go up and stall the plane ?

Exactly right.  Shifting loads, through human error, have caused a number of accidents like this over the years, in a variety of airplanes.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:31 PM

This situation happened almost identically to a load-shift fatal crash involving, I think, a UPS cargo jet out of Ft. Lauderdale, Florida a few years ago...

Cargo shift to the rear, steep climb/angle of attack, loss of lift wing aerodynamics and impossible to recover from it at that low alttitude.

In both cases, it was during take-off.

Not sure if that's what happened here, but the vids look almost identical in nature. Sorry, don't have the Florida vid handy.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:14 PM

Chilling footage.

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