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#1    The Id3al Experience

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:16 AM

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Really... ??!! I just don't understand.....

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:34 AM

Wow, smart move.

What happened was terrible, but seriously?


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:46 AM

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These parents should be charged.  This is irresponsible gun ownership to the max.  If you have kids in your home all guns should be locked up, not sitting in the corner of your mobile home.  Unbelievable.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:52 AM

"It's like, oh, my God," she said, "we're having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody's background, but we're going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?"

This is a real issue.... I beleive there should be an age limit. Over here in NZ, you have to be 18 to own a gun, you are allowed to use one if supervised by a licenced user only.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:32 AM

Meanwhile the gun lobby and corporations profit.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:35 AM

View PostThe Id3al Experience, on 02 May 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

"It's like, oh, my God," she said, "we're having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody's background, but we're going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?"

This is a real issue.... I beleive there should be an age limit. Over here in NZ, you have to be 18 to own a gun, you are allowed to use one if supervised by a licenced user only.

But how will the 5 year old Americans protect themselves when when the 5 year old Chinese invade!


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:55 AM

Yet another lethal weapon left carelessly lying around for children to get. These stories aren't even shocking anymore, just common gun accidents in the U.S of A. Like the kid with the semi-automatic hand gun, where he get that  from . Mom and Dads bedside table?
Maybe an i.q test should be compulsory.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:00 AM

View Posts33ker, on 02 May 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

Yet another lethal weapon left carelessly lying around for children to get. These stories aren't even shocking anymore, just common gun accidents in the U.S of A. Like the kid with the semi-automatic hand gun, where he get that  from . Mom and Dads bedside table?
Maybe an i.q test should be compulsory.

It's the law around here that all firearms have trigger locks.  Should be mandatory everywhere, and they should at least have a gun cabinet with locks.  What kind of irresponsible parent leaves a .22 sitting in the corner of their mobile home when a 5 year old kid is running around?  The trailer trash parents need to go to jail.  This is equivalent to giving your kid a knife and telling him to go run around.

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Meanwhile the gun lobby and corporations profit.

$$$ - <3 = :/

Just as Busch profits when 1000's of kids die in drunk driving accidents each year.  Come on now, you try making it sound like they promote these horrible things when in fact they promote education and safe use.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:03 AM

View PostSilver Surfer, on 02 May 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

But how will the 5 year old Americans protect themselves when when the 5 year old Chinese invade!

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

Totally irresponsible parents.  It is so so sad for the kids involved, that kid will grow up knowing he killed his sister, that is heartbreaking!

I'm in the UK so my opinion on guns is quite different to a lot of America and I realise that is mostly just cultural differences.  But if someone wants to teach their kids to hunt with guns, or target practise, then great.  Teach them to respect guns and let them know how dangerous they can be, that they are not toys.  Don't let you kid play with a real rifle like it's a toy...... especially one with a bullet in!!!  That is just madness.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:20 AM

View PostThe Id3al Experience, on 02 May 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

"It's like, oh, my God," she said, "we're having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody's background, but we're going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?"

This is a real issue.... I beleive there should be an age limit. Over here in NZ, you have to be 18 to own a gun, you are allowed to use one if supervised by a licenced user only.

Legally the parents owned the gun.  Even if it was a gift, it was still purchased and owned by the parents.

Heartbreaking story.  But it's definitely the fault of the parents - improper storage, leaving it loaded, letting the kid "play" with it.  I hope they are prosecuted.

But I don't see it as an indictment of the gun industry or gun culture in the US.  It was simply a tragic accident (granted one that could have been easily prevented).  The rate of gun accidents - especially among children - have been going down for decades even as gun ownership has skyrocketed.  The number of children killed in gun accidents each year barely make a blip on the list of causes of accidental child deaths.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:21 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 02 May 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

Grannie sez guns are not for kids ,

Granny is smart.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:58 PM

Wow. stupidity of the Parents here is beyond what I would expect.

1. They let there child who is 5 have a firearm.
2. They let there child who is 5 play with the firearm.
3. They didn't bother to check to see if the bloody thing had one down the spout.

I have a 5 month old son. I plan on getting him a rifle when he is ready and knows right from wrong. That will be when he is 12 and has passed the firearms safety course and has a Youth License. I plan on getting him a BB gun when he is 9 so he has something to practice with, however only under my strict supervision and he will treat it like a firearm. I have no problems with children using firearms (that are of small caliber) under strict supervision (ie the person who owns it is standing right next to them watching everything they do).

The parents should be taken into custody and the child should be taken to a relative.

Seriously who thinks giving a gun to a 5 year old makes any sense and then letting him play with it.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

View PostThanato, on 02 May 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Wow. stupidity of the Parents here is beyond what I would expect.

1. They let there child who is 5 have a firearm.
2. They let there child who is 5 play with the firearm.
3. They didn't bother to check to see if the bloody thing had one down the spout.

I have a 5 month old son. I plan on getting him a rifle when he is ready and knows right from wrong. That will be when he is 12 and has passed the firearms safety course and has a Youth License. I plan on getting him a BB gun when he is 9 so he has something to practice with, however only under my strict supervision and he will treat it like a firearm. I have no problems with children using firearms (that are of small caliber) under strict supervision (ie the person who owns it is standing right next to them watching everything they do).

The parents should be taken into custody and the child should be taken to a relative.

Seriously who thinks giving a gun to a 5 year old makes any sense and then letting him play with it.

I agree. Remember a Christmas Story and all Ralphie wants is a BB gun for Christmas?  And everyone kept saying You'll Put Your Eye Out Kid? :D

Stories like this just make us gun owners who DO lock up our weapons look like idiots. :no:

Growing up, we were taught guns were NOT toys. Even our BB gun. Never point a gun and somebody you like....Or is it never point a gun at anybody? I can't remember... :whistle:


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

View PostThanato, on 02 May 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Wow. stupidity of the Parents here is beyond what I would expect.

1. They let there child who is 5 have a firearm.
2. They let there child who is 5 play with the firearm.
3. They didn't bother to check to see if the bloody thing had one down the spout.

I have a 5 month old son. I plan on getting him a rifle when he is ready and knows right from wrong. That will be when he is 12 and has passed the firearms safety course and has a Youth License. I plan on getting him a BB gun when he is 9 so he has something to practice with, however only under my strict supervision and he will treat it like a firearm. I have no problems with children using firearms (that are of small caliber) under strict supervision (ie the person who owns it is standing right next to them watching everything they do).

The parents should be taken into custody and the child should be taken to a relative.

Seriously who thinks giving a gun to a 5 year old makes any sense and then letting him play with it.

I don't have a problem with the kid getting the gun at 5 years old.  If you look at many of the top Olympic shooters, they all started shooting at around that age.  But the key is that the use of the firearm has to be under conditions supervised by the parent.  You can't just leave the thing loaded and leaning up against the wall in your trailer.  And, under no circumstances, should the kid be allowed to "play" with it.

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