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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:44 PM

View Postaztek, on 03 May 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

lmao. realy??

Federal Firearms License

A Federal Firearms License (FFL) is a license that enables an individual or a company to engage in a business pertaining to the manufacture of firearms and ammunition or the interstate and intrastate sale of firearms. Holding an FFL to engage in certain such activities has been a legal requirement within the United States of America since the enactment of the Gun Control Act of 1968.



http://www.atf.gov/f...ome-an-ffl.html

after that i se no point to argue with you, if you deny common knowlege and obviuos facts.

good bye, you will be in good company of likeminded ppl on my ignore list.

Well, that is surely not the license for a gun owner, if you want to digress: There also is a Federal license for liquor makers. But that is not what we are discussing here.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:44 PM

View PostMichelle, on 03 May 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

The majority of the time the people who resort to stabbing or shooting their significant others are involved in gangs. They have a completely different mindset where most of us would never even think of slapping someone across the face. I've started looking up the criminal histories of the people in the news who assault their partners and most of them have very long rap sheets. It makes me furious they aren't still in jail.
I blame the lawyers who defend them, they should be in jail too. The mindset of the lawyer who defends these people is generally based round money, not morals...says it all really.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:54 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 03 May 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

I blame the lawyers who defend them, they should be in jail too. The mindset of the lawyer who defends these people is generally based round money, not morals...says it all really.

Actually it's our judges and the whole justice system. The lawyers these gangs members get are public defenders. Those guys don't get paid a lot of money.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:59 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Well, that is surely not the license for a gun owner, if you want to digress: There also is a Federal license for liquor makers. But that is not what we are discussing here.

Why would he digress?  He responded to you saying "there's no such thing as a Federal Firearm License".  He simply provided the evidence that there is.  You're the one now making the jump that it's not an individual license.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:01 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

And thanks to the NRA the federal government is prohibited from registering arms. And there is no such a thing as a federal firearm license. Don't know where you got that from. The only firearm licenses that exist are from the states. All the Federal government does is regulate who may buy a gun, which is all who have no screw loose in their brain or are not convicted felons. And that is all they register, that somebody asked if he could buy a gun and the answer they gave to that.

The Federal government is prohibited from registering arms because of the Second Amendment, the NRA just helps keep that amendment from being infringed.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostMichelle, on 03 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Actually it's our judges and the whole justice system. The lawyers these gangs members get are public defenders. Those guys don't get paid a lot of money.
I hear the public defense lawyers do not earn mega money, but wonder how many of the drug dealers actually use them, would imagine many could afford a private solicitor.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:11 PM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 03 May 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Why would he digress?  He responded to you saying "there's no such thing as a Federal Firearm License".  He simply provided the evidence that there is.  You're the one now making the jump that it's not an individual license.

If we are discussing individual firearms licenses over 20 posts one might conclude that it is that what we are talking about, but I know, lost the argument, did not know what we he is talking about so lets try an old trick from the 80s in discussion forums: just change the subject. That is digressing.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 03 May 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I hear the public defense lawyers do not earn mega money, but wonder how many of the drug dealers actually use them, would imagine many could afford a private solicitor.

You would think, but majority of drug dealers are small time.  Obviously the major players have their own lawyers, but bank accounts get cleared or are frozen by the authorities in a lot of drug cases, because they assume the money was made from the drugs.  I believe they have a separate judicial process to determine how much of one's money was made by illegal activities.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 03 May 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

I hear the public defense lawyers do not earn mega money, but wonder how many of the drug dealers actually use them, would imagine many could afford a private solicitor.

Not at all. These guys are small time scum.

Edit: You beat me to it, green dude.

Edited by Michelle, 03 May 2013 - 08:15 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

If we are discussing individual firearms licenses over 20 posts one might conclude that it is that what we are talking about, but I know, lost the argument, did not know what we he is talking about so lets try an old trick from the 80s in discussion forums: just change the subject. That is digressing.

Maybe we're reading two different things, but he was talking about gun dealers and their licensing when he first mentioned it.  He was thinking that guns could be traced that way, but they can't, as all they do is give clearance to the person inquiring that they are allowed to purchase a firearm.  The dealer retains records of the purchase, I believe for 20 years on new gun purchases.  I would know, I bought a brand new handgun some years ago, and the dealer still has record of the sale and the weapon I bought.

Then you were the one who simply stated that license didn't exist, so he provided the evidence as such.  He might not be totally correct about being able to trace the weapon, but that's not what I'm defending.

He didn't change the topic.
I do think that is what you are attempting to do now.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:24 PM

http://www.marketpla...y-takes-buy-gun

Just to show I'm not making s*** up.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:46 PM

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You seem to continually suggest that I don't care about the loss of a 2 year old.  What makes you think that?

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Just because I don't agree with some of your opinions doesn't mean I am suggesting you that don't care ....

From what I read from the news of this incident :

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The boy's rifle was kept in a corner of the mobile home, and the family didn't realise a bullet had been left in it.

I can't help but think that maybe the rifle wasn't loaded in the first place, the kid loaded it himself ....  as ...

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White said the boy received the .22-caliber rifle as a gift, but it wasn't clear who gave him the gun, which is known as a Crickett.

"It's a little rifle for a kid. ... The little boy's used to shooting the little gun," White said


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In a horrific accident that shocked a rural area far from the US debate over gun control, the boy, Kristian, killed his 2-year-old sister, Caroline, with a single shot to the chest

that's a crack shot, one bullet one life ... isn't that the mantra of a perfect shot ? An accidental perfect shot ?

and I'm more inclined to agree with the views of

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Sharon Rengers, a longtime child advocate at Kosair Children's Hospital in Louisville, said making and marketing weapons specifically for children was "mind-boggling."

"It's like, oh, my God," she said, "we're having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody's background, but we're going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?"

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600,000
Semi-automatic shotguns and rifles bought back as part of new gun control measures in Australia after a 1996 mass shooting in which 35 people were killed. The country also prohibited private sales of guns. From 1995 to 2006, homicides by firearm in Australia plunged 59 percent – and they haven’t had a mass shooting since.

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The number of laws the NRA has pushed through in the past four years making guns easier to own, carry in public, and harder for the government to track. Eight states currently allow firearms in bars.

$17 million
What the NRA spent on campaigns during the 2012 election cycle.

Did the kid murder his kid sister ?
If he knew what he was doing .... yes ... but he's only five years old ... so did he know the consequences of his action ? No I don't believe so.

If he was fifteen years years old ... they'll be filing charges of murder and nothing less ... don't you agree ?

I'm not suggesting that you or the others don't care, I'm just saying I care.

Those who insists that we who are ignorant about guns knows nothing about this tragedy and is blaming guns ... no we are not .... I assure you.
I am blaming those who made this situation possible on such a increasing persistent and alarmingly consistent widespread occurrences.

Just within these past six months ... how many lives of children were cut short so tragically ?

I don't have the heart to google those numbers ...

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 03 May 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Just because I don't agree with some of your opinions doesn't mean I am suggesting you that don't care ....

From what I read from the news of this incident :



I can't help but think that maybe the rifle wasn't loaded in the first place, the kid loaded it himself ....  as ...



and



that's a crack shot, one bullet one life ... isn't that the mantra of a perfect shot ? An accidental perfect shot ?

and I'm more inclined to agree with the views of



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Did the kid murder his kid sister ?
If he knew what he was doing .... yes ... but he's only five years old ... so did he know the consequences of his action ? No I don't believe so.

If he was fifteen years years old ... they'll be filing charges of murder and nothing less ... don't you agree ?

I'm not suggesting that you or the others don't care, I'm just saying I care.

Those who insists that we who are ignorant about guns knows nothing about this tragedy and is blaming guns ... no we are not .... I assure you.
I am blaming those who made this situation possible on such a increasing persistent and alarmingly consistent widespread occurrences.

Just within these past six months ... how many lives of children were cut short so tragically ?

I don't have the heart to google those numbers ...

Good, I was perceiving that it was being suggested that I did not care for the loss of life.

The only thing I'm going to nitpick in your post is this part:   "that's a crack shot, one bullet one life ... isn't that the mantra of a perfect shot ? An accidental perfect shot ?"

Let me clear that up.  People are taught to aim for center mass because of the higher probability of the bullet hitting it's target.  It's not a 'crack shot'.  A perfect shot is any shot that hits it's intended target, so an accidental shot would be far from perfect.  Usually, the term 'crack shot' is used for either 1)someone who doesn't miss, even at extreme distances or 2)a shot that not many people could make.  Sharpshooters are 'crackshots', and when they land one of those inside the eye shots, that's a 'crack shot'.  At least that's the common use of the terms I've been around, which would be Ohio and Arizona.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:58 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 03 May 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:


I admit I didn't read this earlier, but wow! I hate it when most any animal has to be put down though.

We've recently been seeing bobcats around here. :sk  I hope they stay a safe distance from other people's homes so as not to cause a conflict.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:47 PM

The Onus is clearly on the Parents for this incident.

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