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#91    CRYSiiSx2

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:11 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 02 May 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

kids should just be allowed to just be kids and not be dragged into this 'constitutional rights' of choice or not ...

As Obama has them stand next to him and use them as props...

And to those saying only adults should be using guns...



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:03 AM

Thanato:  I have not defended, or suggested that the 5 year old should have had the gun.  This was gross negligence on the parents part, and I feel for the 2 year old, and family.

With that said, some of the posters here make statements that are either 1) False or 2) Speculation.  I'm simply correcting those posters.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:48 AM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 03 May 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

What was this kid thinking?  He should've just been being a kid instead of defending himself and his mother.

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View PostCRYSiiSx2, on 03 May 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

As Obama has them stand next to him and use them as props...

And to those saying only adults should be using guns...

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That child and those children should never have been put in such a situation in the first place .... it was the fault of the adults that the child should have been 'expected' and applauded to kill at such an age regardless of the situation, the adults owe this child a world of apologies for not making his world a safer place as was intended and promised.


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Edited by third_eye, 03 May 2013 - 06:51 AM.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:04 AM

How sad... 5 is so young, I wonder how much he understands about what's going on...

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:15 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 03 May 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

How sad... 5 is so young, I wonder how much he understands about what's going on...

Exactly what I was meaning to say .. everybody seems to spouting principles, axioms, postulates, propositions, integrity, probity, rectitude, honor  and truths left and right but nobody seems to care about the children and what they are going through, specially this particular child .... who want's to ask the child what he thinks of guns now ?

Instead of giving kids guns to make the world a safe as one would like to think it should be, how about making the world safe for the children first ?
Then allow them guns if it is still essential to their safety or peace of mind.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:23 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 03 May 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:



Exactly what I was meaning to say .. everybody seems to spouting principles, axioms, postulates, propositions, integrity, probity, rectitude, honor  and truths left and right but nobody seems to care about the children and what they are going through, specially this particular child .... who want's to ask the child what he thinks of guns now ?

Instead of giving kids guns to make the world a safe as one would like to think it should be, how about making the world safe for the children first ?
Then allow them guns if it is still essential to their safety or peace of mind.


You'd think...

My ex's brother died when he was 7 and my ex 8, of no fault if his he died in his sleep but my ex never got over it.  He blames himself to this day even though he had nothing to do with it.

This boy, on the other hand, .... I don't even know what to think he's going to go through.







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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:03 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 03 May 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

You'd think...

My ex's brother died when he was 7 and my ex 8, of no fault if his he died in his sleep but my ex never got over it.  He blames himself to this day even though he had nothing to do with it.

This boy, on the other hand, .... I don't even know what to think he's going to go through.

And that is the saddest thing.  As this boy grown up he will know what he did and I am sure he will blame himself.  But it isn't his fault, it's his parents fault.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:56 AM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 03 May 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

With that said, some of the posters here make statements that are either 1) False or 2) Speculation.  I'm simply correcting those posters.
Really?

View Postgreen_dude777, on 02 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

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Seriously, this again?  We already went over this when that boy in Texas had access to his firearms and defended the home.  It's also the same thread where everyone not from the U.S. was stunned that I had my own rifle when I was 5 years old, and even more stunned that I could have gotten the gun out of the cabinet since I was 9.

To sum that up again, yes.  Responsibility isn't tied to an age, it's tied to a mindset.  When I was 12, I would have been fully capable to defend the home in the absence of my parents.
Yes, this again, because this is what this thread is about...kids and guns.
Can you explain the mindset of a 5 year old child and their responsibility of having a gun in their hands, seeing that its not tied to age?
So basically all the responsible adult bit about their guns are locked away is not true as it seems some on here are in favour of guns being accessible to kids when the parent is not at at home.
I will say it again and repeat what third_eye has said: no parent should be leaving their child alone where a guns needs to be left for them to use if there is a possibility of any danger....PARENTS SHOULD BE PROTECTING THEIR CHILDREN, NOT A GUN LEFT FOR THE KID TO USE.

Edited by freetoroam, 03 May 2013 - 10:03 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:09 AM

Just a point on the age thing, my kids are 4 and 6.  They know what is right and what is wrong.  I've explained time and time again that they don't touch plug sockets.  If I asked my 6 year old kid why not to touch plug sockets he would say that you can get electrocuted and it can kill you.

However about 2 months ago I saw him sticking his fingers in a plug socket in the hallway.  I honestly don't think a kid as young as 5 or 6 fully appreciates that things can kill, and what "dead" really means.  My kid got a slap on the legs for that (something that has probably only happened 3-4 times in his life), but as an adult I have to bear the responsibility of it.  I was extremely lucky that he was fine, but as his mum I should not allowed him to be in that position.  I went out the same day and spent £40 on those caps that go over the sockets and now every single socket in the house has one.

I don't think a kid that young can fully appreciate that "guns can kill", just in the same sense that my 6yr old cannot fully understand "electricity can kill".  They mirror the words and the actions you tell them, but they are not repsonsible for themselves.  As my kids mum, I take responsibility for not having the sockets covered (I did when they were toddlers but thought they would understand the dangers once a little older).  The kids parents in the news story should be the ones taking repsonsibility for what happens.  Yes, teach your kids how to use guns if that is your wish.  But teach them gun resposibility and don't ASSUME that they will still act as responsible when your back is turned or are not there as kids do not fully understand the dangers, even if they say they do.

Edited by Moon Gazer, 03 May 2013 - 11:11 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:18 AM

before someone teaches kids to respect guns, he has to teacbh the kid to respect him,  the parent, some fail at that, and it goes downhill from there

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:06 PM

let's hope the bottom of the hill is nowhere near this :

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

View Postaztek, on 03 May 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

unachievable, true, but did i say any work pointless??? no.

measure offered, is pointless and counterproductive, and proven such,

Pointless was your word, not mine.  Your post implied that accidents are inevitable, and to work for cessation is pointless.  I will stand by my statement, regardless of its utopian outlook:  even one such act of irresponsibility is too many.  Our society places more emphasis on selfish pursuit of pleasure than on compassion or empathy for others.

And for those who are saying the five year old didn't really understand what he was doing:  he knew enough to point the gun and pull the trigger.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostJ. K., on 03 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Pointless was your word, not mine.  

yes it was, but it was not the only word, read it again.

pointless the way YOU propose.

you can stand by anything you want, but what you ask, and assume you can acheve the way you propose is a tonn of hot air, nothing more

Edited by aztek, 03 May 2013 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:19 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 03 May 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

let's hope the bottom of the hill is nowhere near this :



OH COME ON, CAN YOU TELL APPLES AND ORANGES APART?? i doubt

have you not noticed it was civil war (and actually never ending wars in africa) that turned kids into weapons?? how do you relate it to usa??

Edited by aztek, 03 May 2013 - 03:20 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:03 PM

View Postaztek, on 03 May 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

OH COME ON, CAN YOU TELL APPLES AND ORANGES APART?? i doubt

have you not noticed it was civil war (and actually never ending wars in africa) that turned kids into weapons?? how do you relate it to usa??

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any war ....

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.....that turned kids into weapons??

when kids are armed .... note that I mentioned ....

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let's hope the bottom of the hill is nowhere near this :



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Edited by third_eye, 03 May 2013 - 04:07 PM.

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