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#1    Jessica Christ

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:19 AM

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“Very often, people get incredibly angry about injustices that they see,” Ken Livingstone said Friday, according to a transcript by the Middle East Media Research Institute, a nonprofit. “They would have been reading about the torture at Guantanamo Bay, at Baghram airbase. They would have read stuff about how, I think it is 54 different countries secretly collaborated with America for this rendition — people being snatched off streets taken to be tortured, because the Bush regime believed that they were all potential terrorists.“


There was such ignorance in the Bush White House about Islam and about the history of so many disputes that exist in the Middle East. People get angry — they lash out,” he continued. “… It’s the whole squalid intervention that has disfigured the record of the Western democracies. I think this fuels the anger of the young men, who — as we saw in Boston — went out, and, out of anger and demand for revenge, claimed lives in the West.”

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

He's not lying.

I always remember the video of US troops running over an Afghanistan locals car with their tank and laughing at him. His car happened to be his taxi and livelihood. He had a family to feed and they done that to him. Would you be surprised if he joined Al Qaeda after that?!

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:26 PM

I can only hope he did not become our enemy just because we proved to be his. That video is in the second link below.

Humvee runs over woman who was a law-abiding citizen & @ the 51 second mark pushes a car off the road for no good reason.

Taxi crushing soldiers laughing

Apache kills Reuters reporters & fires on children, "It is their fault for bringing their kids into a battle," was the justification given so nevermind that it was in the middle of a city they lived in. Another soldier begs to, "Come on let us shoot."

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We create our own enemies. Can only hope after seeing these videos we also create citizens here who want to see an end to this War on Terror which can at times seem like a war on law-abiding citizens. I think our government shrugs their shoulders and calls it collateral damage.

There is another video but the languge is inapproriate at the very end; yt search term: humvee traffic driving in baghdad

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 02 May 2013 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

In the interests of balance, though, before he relaunched himself as Cuddly Ken, the caring Mayor, he was notoriously known as "Red Ken" and was mrs. T's and Ron's avowed enemy.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

Not that I'm saying there might not be some truth in what he says, mind.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

Well, umm, duh?

Sorry for the simplified statement above, but realistically what would be the alternative? 'Men attack U.S. for no reason at all'? Of course it has to do with U.S. policies. Anyone who hadn't come to this conclusion is, quite simply, an idiot.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:13 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 02 May 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Well, umm, duh?

Sorry for the simplified statement above, but realistically what would be the alternative? 'Men attack U.S. for no reason at all'? Of course it has to do with U.S. policies. Anyone who hadn't come to this conclusion is, quite simply, an idiot.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

Not trying to justify anything here but the fact is US and British vehicles and convoys were under strict orders to shove cars out of the way or run over anything necessary while driving down the the streets of occupied cities in Iraq to keep moving.  If you were in one place you were in danger of being attacked.  I was in Cabo San Lucas during the war and shared a taxi with a soldier on leave.  We were in a busy part of the city and got stuck in traffic.  The soldier started to panic, tapping the driver on the shoulder saying 'Drive drive drive drive!'  I had to talk the poor guy guy down from his panic attack putting my hand on his shoulder and asking whats wrong?  He nearly jumped out of his skin, pale as a ghost and told me about how he was in several incidents were he was in vehicles in Iraq while stuck in traffic they came under fire and people died.  I reminded him we were in Mexico and nobody was going to shoot.  He got out and walked.

That little anequdote shared, I have to say I'm surprised there have not been many more attacks like this due to the war of, er I mean on terror.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

Imagine being the guy in the white car right after the 2:55 minute mark? Lucky him, right? He gets to live that day...

I read the whole first paragaph including the initial disclaimer but it seems imbalanced with just one sentence at the end there OverSword. What about the lady (1st link post #3 above) they ran over who was in the crosswalk? Such a terrible loss of life...

...then when we think they did it for profit it puts things into perspective because our enemies on the ground level do not seem to have profits as their motive.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 03 May 2013 - 05:03 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:26 AM

That's part of the vicious cycle in war. For every negative action that takes place in one area, their is a negative reaction that takes place in another area. It goes on and on, until there is a final victor in the end. If you look at history, there are many perfect examples of this in every war. No one on the sidelines of this chaos is going to convince the participants to just stop, one side or the other, the two main forces involved will continue, until one finally drops out or destroys the other. In war, there is no morality, no one gives a damn, which is the way it always goes. Those who want peace, want these kind of things to stop, but that's only in a perfect world. Because you see, the sad truth of it is, if there were no men, there would be no wars. Only then, would it be a perfect world.

As long as there are men with different ideas from one another, there will always be conflict, pain, suffering, and death. Trying to influence those powerful forces with peaceful intentions, will only be a whisper in the ears of those in the conflict. The voice of anger is louder and it will suppress the thought of peace at almost every turn. Those who want eternal peace should remember that, when they're still trying to stop these things from happening several years later and nothing has changed. Men thrive on anger and no end of conflict follows, until someone wins.

Edited by Purifier, 03 May 2013 - 06:27 AM.

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