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#31    skyeagle409

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:27 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 03 May 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

I didn't choose their name Skyeagle.  That's what the group were called at the end of Rambo III,  later they changed it to Mujahidin.  (later cuts of the film that is.)

The Afghan Mujahideen and the Afghan Arabs were two different groups. Conspiracist seem to think there were one of the same, which they were not.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:04 PM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 03 May 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

It's only terrorism if you happen to not be Caucasian...  The US participate in "campaigns of shock and awe".

I think Al Qaeda are basically the Afghan Freedom Fighters (It''s a little more complex than that, but still) Always made that dedication in the credits for Rambo 2 or 3 all the more hilarious.


The thing is, both sides of the Al Qaeda did/did not do it have sources to back them up.  Some good, some awful.  So right off the bat, we have massive trouble establishing a single fact..


Completely agree with all of that, also I watched that Rambo a few Months back and laughed at how nice they made them out to be in the film.

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I wouldn't say that. After all, it took the United States to step in to stop the slaughter in the Balkans while the rest of the world sat back and did nothing.

That does not mean it is OK to terrorize other countries...

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

False! The CIA supported only the Afghan Mujahideen, not the Afghan Arabs, which was a group of foreigners that Osama bin Laden belonged.


Haha, really again. Read this sentence please about Bin Laden on Wikipedia:

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He was born in the bin Laden family to billionaire Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden in Saudi Arabia. He studied there in college until 1979, when he joined the mujahideen forces in Pakistan against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

when he joined the mujahideen forces

when he joined the mujahideen forces

when he joined the mujahideen forces

when he joined the mujahideen forces

when he joined the mujahideen forces

This might make you take note this time.


View Postskyeagle409, on 03 May 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

The Afghan Mujahideen and the Afghan Arabs were two different groups. Conspiracist seem to think there were one of the same, which they were not.


Wikipedia is not a conspiricist... Neither is Hillery Clinton or Obama..... lol

Edited by Coffey, 03 May 2013 - 09:07 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostCoffey, on 03 May 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

That does not mean it is OK to terrorize other countries..

Well, al-Qaeda was behind the bombings that deliberately targeted and killed hundreds of innocent people in foreign countries.

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Haha, really again. Read this sentence please about Bin Laden on Wikipedia:

when he joined the mujahideen forces


Read your history book and note the differences between the Afghan Mujahideen and the Afghan Arabs.

Afghan Arabs

Afghan Arabs (also known as Arab-Afghans) were Arab and other Muslim Islamist mujahideen who came to Afghanistan during and following the Soviet-Afghan War to help fellow Muslims fight Soviets and pro-Soviet Afghans. Observers and journalists covering the war have cast doubt on their significance as a fighting force, but within the Muslim Arab world they achieved near hero-status for their association with the defeat of the militant atheist, anti-religious Communist superpower that was the Soviet Union.

http://www.webcitati...date=2010-02-03

Osama bin Laden used the thousands of fighters he recruited in 1988 to fight against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan bin Laden expanded his "jihad" or holy war. The goals of al-Qaida's jihad are to establish the rule of God on Earth, to cleanse Islam of depravity and to become martyrs to the cause. In 1998 al Qaida issued a statement claiming it was the duty of all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens including civilians.


Afghan Mujahideen

The Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen (also known as the Seven Party Mujahideen Alliance or Peshawar Seven) was an Afghan organization formed in May 1985 by the seven Afghanmujahideen parties fighting against the Soviet and Democratic Republic of Afghanistan forces in the Soviet-Afghan War. The alliance sought to function as a united diplomatic front towards the world opinion, and sought representation in the United Nations and Organisation of the Islamic Conference

http://www.airpower....pr/collins.html

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:42 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 May 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

Well, al-Qaeda was behind the bombings that deliberately targeted and killed hundreds of innocent people in foreign countries.




Read your history book and note the differences between the Afghan Mujahideen and the Afghan Arabs.

Afghan Arabs

Afghan Arabs (also known as Arab-Afghans) were Arab and other Muslim Islamist mujahideen who came to Afghanistan during and following the Soviet-Afghan War to help fellow Muslims fight Soviets and pro-Soviet Afghans. Observers and journalists covering the war have cast doubt on their significance as a fighting force, but within the Muslim Arab world they achieved near hero-status for their association with the defeat of the militant atheist, anti-religious Communist superpower that was the Soviet Union.

http://www.webcitati...date=2010-02-03

Osama bin Laden used the thousands of fighters he recruited in 1988 to fight against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan bin Laden expanded his "jihad" or holy war. The goals of al-Qaida's jihad are to establish the rule of God on Earth, to cleanse Islam of depravity and to become martyrs to the cause. In 1998 al Qaida issued a statement claiming it was the duty of all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens including civilians.


Afghan Mujahideen

The Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen (also known as the Seven Party Mujahideen Alliance or Peshawar Seven) was an Afghan organization formed in May 1985 by the seven Afghanmujahideen parties fighting against the Soviet and Democratic Republic of Afghanistan forces in the Soviet-Afghan War. The alliance sought to function as a united diplomatic front towards the world opinion, and sought representation in the United Nations and Organisation of the Islamic Conference

http://www.airpower....pr/collins.html


And you really think that they fought together and went their separate ways? lol


So you use the writing of USAF lieutenant colonel... Obviously no agenda there......

Then some anti Muslim/Terrorist site. Brilliant.

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 May 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

Well, al-Qaeda was behind the bombings that deliberately targeted and killed hundreds of innocent people in foreign countries.

US does that all the time... Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya. Thousands of dead innocent woman and Children.



There is a huge problem with history books. Some are wrong, because they where written when all the evidence or information was not known. This has been proven thousands of times. Taking Scientific books like history specific ones as gospel is verging on religion.

Edited by Coffey, 03 May 2013 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:04 PM

View PostCoffey, on 03 May 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

And you really think that they fought together and went their separate ways?

They were two different groups. and the Afghan Arabs were not supported by the CIA. Simply historical fact s. Did you really think the CIA would support a group that openly declared war on the United States?

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:19 AM

View PostSpinebreaker, on 03 May 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

So from these responses, our coma subject, would probably come to the conclusion 'hijackers', and probably terrorists.  Now the official line suggests mr. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

However a google search for "Al Qaeda responsible 9/11" brings up 2 completely different stories.  That Al Qaeda claimed responsibility and that they didn't. Both backed up with various quotes and sources.

So which is it?

little known fact... it was actually a guy named Al Kyda, a black ops operative, who orchestrated the whole thing, including seeing to it that the dupes were trained to fly sufficiently for the tasks. Only a handful of others were in on the plan.   The anthrax  'attack'  ,scaring the pants off congress was the finishing touch... insuring the votes for WAR.   * the "Mushroom Cloud" speeches were good too........
(ok,, Mayyyybe not.. but hey,  This is the Conspiracy section;)

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:51 AM

View Postlightly, on 04 May 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:


...but hey,  This is the Conspiracy section;)

This thread is more hypothetical than conspiratorial. Where's the conspiracy here again, or am I just too dense?

Maybe the philosophy forum?


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:02 AM

View Postlightly, on 04 May 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

little known fact... it was actually a guy named Al Kyda, a black ops operative, who orchestrated the whole thing, including seeing to it that the dupes were trained to fly sufficiently for the tasks. Only a handful of others were in on the plan.   The anthrax  'attack'  ,scaring the pants off congress was the finishing touch... insuring the votes for WAR.   * the "Mushroom Cloud" speeches were good too........
(ok,, Mayyyybe not.. but hey,  This is the Conspiracy section;)

We might have to put another war on hold because the Air Force is now broke and has been shutting down many of its flying squadrons lately. So much for conspiracy theories that 911 was to increase the war chest of the Pentagon. Now, they have shut down the aerial demonstrations teams of the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:17 AM

Rome overextended it's military might as well.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 02:34 AM

View Postlightly, on 04 May 2013 - 01:17 AM, said:

Rome overextended it's military might as well.

We can't forget Napoleon and Waterloo, and Hitler and Germany.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:54 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 04 May 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

This thread is more hypothetical than conspiratorial. Where's the conspiracy here again, or am I just too dense?

Maybe the philosophy forum?

I guess it's relevant to both...  But as it's 9/11 I feel it belongs here...

The problem starts right with that first question, Who.  And there's evidence and backup for both sides...  Without knowing for certain who did it, how can ANY investigation claim to have the accurate version of events?

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:26 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 May 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

They were two different groups. and the Afghan Arabs were not supported by the CIA. Simply historical fact s. Did you really think the CIA would support a group that openly declared war on the United States?


Of course the US wouldn't do that! Oh wait.......Libya and Syria. And the the US and NATO supposedly worked with Bin Laden 3 months after 9/11 in Operation Gladio....

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:33 AM

I think a single government could rule the world today; it's not like Roman times when communication and transportation made such ideas impossible.  The idea of being "over-extended" might apply to one country trying to rule other countries in a colonial fashion, as colonies in the end always cost more than they are worth and certainly would apply if a country tried to do it by conquest.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:36 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 May 2013 - 01:02 AM, said:

We might have to put another war on hold because the Air Force is now broke and has been shutting down many of its flying squadrons lately. So much for conspiracy theories that 911 was to increase the war chest of the Pentagon. Now, they have shut down the aerial demonstrations teams of the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels.


Is it possible that "Drones" are cheaper and more cost effective ?

Could that be the reason why they are "shutting down many of its flying squadrons" ?


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:40 AM

Well I'm happy to see the US military on a diet.  Anyone want to suggest the same to China?





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