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#1    Kowalski

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

I LOVE South Carolina! LOL
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South Carolina House passes bill making ‘Obamacare’ implementation a crime


The South Carolina state House passed a bill Wednesday that declares President Obama’s Patient Protection and AffordablePosted Image Care Act to be “null and void,” and criminalizes its implementation.
The state’s Freedom of Health Care ProtectionPosted Image Act intends to “prohibit certain individuals from enforcing or attempting to enforce such unconstitutional laws; and to establish criminal penalties and civil liability for violating this article.”



The measure permits the state Attorney General, with reasonable cause, “to restrain by temporary restraining order, temporary injunction, or permanent injunction” any person who is believed to be causing harm to any person or businessPosted Image with the implementation of Obamacare.
Earlier this year in her state of the state address, Gov. Nikki Haley said that South Carolina does not want and cannot affordPosted Image the president’s plan, “not now, not ever.”
“To that end, we will not pursue the type of government-run health exchanges being forced on us by Washington,” she said. “Despite the rose-colored rhetoric coming out of D.C., these exchanges are nothing more than a way to make the state do the federal government’s bidding in spending massive amounts of taxpayer dollars on insurance subsidies that we can’t afford.”
The nullification bill moved on to the state Senate Thursday and referred to the Committee on FinancePosted Image.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

Ohio voted that we did not want it. 70 percent to be exact. But it dosent matter, they just dont give a ****.

Its also funny that north carolina was the state to try a nullify national laws in pre civil war era. How things never change.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 03 May 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Ohio voted that we did not want it. 70 percent to be exact. But it dosent matter, they just dont give a ****.

Its also funny that north carolina was the state to try a nullify national laws in pre civil war era. How things never change.

Yeah, I know. LOL

I wish more states would do this! Tell those idiots in Washington to shove Obamacare up their ******.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

I don't know if Obamacare will work or is the answer but something needs to be done about lack of health care in this country.  Besides the people that can't afford any coverage there are people with coverage but don't make enough to use it.  That's sad.

If we ever do have a breakout of some killer disease that spreads easily there are going to be a lot of people that don't go to the doctor and that will help it spread even faster.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

so, in plain English: The concept of protecting the interest of its citizens is for South Carolina to deny health care coverage while its citizens have to pay it anyway? Because the additional federal taxes for not having health care will not go away with this. And that will be at least as expensive as paying for Obamacare.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

so, in plain English: The concept of protecting the interest of its citizens is for South Carolina to deny health care coverage while its citizens have to pay it anyway? Because the additional federal taxes for not having health care will not go away with this. And that will be at least as expensive as paying for Obamacare.
actually QM, I believe they're true intent is to protect the owners of busness's with 50 or more employees, here is a pay or play guide book if you want to look into that http://www.quarles.c...ent_Version.pdf

Also, if people don't have access to the state or fed run insurance exchanges, which this will outlaw, I don't see how the IRS can charge the "fee" without coming under threat of a massive class action lawsuit on behalf of the citizens of South Carolina.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostOverSword, on 03 May 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

actually QM, I believe they're true intent is to protect the owners of busness's with 50 or more employees, here is a pay or play guide book if you want to look into that http://www.quarles.c...ent_Version.pdf

Also, if people don't have access to the state or fed run insurance exchanges, which this will outlaw, I don't see how the IRS can charge the "fee" without coming under threat of a massive class action lawsuit on behalf of the citizens of South Carolina.

The Federal law, upheld by the SC is clear: You either pay for health care or you pay more taxes. There is not much they can sue against that. All you can do is roll back the Federal law.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:08 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

The Federal law, upheld by the SC is clear: You either pay for health care or you pay more taxes. There is not much they can sue against that. All you can do is roll back the Federal law.

So what is the Fed gonna do if the good people of SC decide not to have insurance and not to pay the tax increase? Arrest every uninsured citizen in SC? I don't think that is doable. What if several other states join SC? Will the Fed arrest the citizens living in those states also? Where they gonna put them all? What are they gonna do when they lose the tax revenue those folks were paying while their costs increase because of the, possibily, hundreds of thousands of new inmates?

Push people far enough and they will revolt. I don't know if the ACA will be the straw that breaks the camels back or not, but it is another straw.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostBama13, on 03 May 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

So what is the Fed gonna do if the good people of SC decide not to have insurance and not to pay the tax increase? Arrest every uninsured citizen in SC? I don't think that is doable. What if several other states join SC? Will the Fed arrest the citizens living in those states also? Where they gonna put them all? What are they gonna do when they lose the tax revenue those folks were paying while their costs increase because of the, possibily, hundreds of thousands of new inmates?

Push people far enough and they will revolt. I don't know if the ACA will be the straw that breaks the camels back or not, but it is another straw.

Not paying taxes is still a federal offense that could end with the government taking your house, you car and your Playstation. And I don't doubt they will do exactly that because this is a matter of principle now.

Just because the government of South Carolina decides that it is illegal to pay taxes does not mean that it actually is.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

The Federal law, upheld by the SC is clear: You either pay for health care or you pay more taxes. There is not much they can sue against that. All you can do is roll back the Federal law.
And if the government can't give you access to the exchange, also part of the federal law, then they would be responsible for said assocciated fees.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:22 PM

View PostOverSword, on 03 May 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

And if the government can't give you access to the exchange, also part of the federal law, then they would be responsible for said assocciated fees.

The causant is always responsible, or those who avoid people getting access to an exchange. That would not be the Federal government. The people of South Carolina can try to get the their extra taxes back from the state.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:30 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 May 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

Not paying taxes is still a federal offense that could end with the government taking your house, you car and your Playstation. And I don't doubt they will do exactly that because this is a matter of principle now.

Just because the government of South Carolina decides that it is illegal to pay taxes does not mean that it actually is.

What if I live in an apartment and don't have a car or a playstation? Are they going to take a million American citizens to court? Are they gonna use Federal LEO's to enforce the siezures, becuase I don't think the State LEO's will help them. They gonna declare martial law in SC?

Just think, the Feds arresting American citizens for violating a law that itself violates the US Constitution. I know the USSC said it doesn't, but they apparently don't understand the Constitution, which is sadly shocking in and of itself. No where does it say that the Fed can force people to buy anything.

You know who doesn't have health insurance? The people that can't afford it. So the Fed decides that these people either get someting they can't afford or pay a tax they can't afford. "Of the people, by the people, and for the people" my a$$. It's time for the people took back our government. If we stand strong and stand together they can't win. It is, sadly, coming down to us or them. I prefer us.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:33 PM

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What if I live in an apartment and don't have a car or a playstation? Are they going to take a million American citizens to court? Are they gonna use Federal LEO's to enforce the siezures, becuase I don't think the State LEO's will help them. They gonna declare martial law in SC?

Just think, the Feds arresting American citizens for violating a law that itself violates the US Constitution. I know the USSC said it doesn't, but they apparently don't understand the Constitution, which is sadly shocking in and of itself. No where does it say that the Fed can force people to buy anything.

You know who doesn't have health insurance? The people that can't afford it. So the Fed decides that these people either get someting they can't afford or pay a tax they can't afford. "Of the people, by the people, and for the people" my a$$. It's time for the people took back our government. If we stand strong and stand together they can't win. It is, sadly, coming down to us or them. I prefer us.

Yes they will.

And, just because you don't like a law, even if you are one of  many, it does not mean that you can disobey it and get away with it.

We will see how this pans out, probably with SC leaving the union or something similarly ludicrous.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:51 PM

The last time the majority of us didn't like a law/tax being unfairly imposed on us we declared independence from the government subjugating us.  Maybe it's time to do something similar and use our power as We The People to put the federal government back in the small, well-defined box it was supposed to stay in.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 03 May 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

The last time the majority of us didn't like a law/tax being unfairly imposed on us we declared independence from the government subjugating us.  Maybe it's time to do something similar and use our power as We The People to put the federal government back in the small, well-defined box it was supposed to stay in.

Your problem seems to be that you are not the majority. As shown by the last elections: the guy who wanted to abolish Obamacare lost.

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