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#16    bee

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:06 AM

View Post1963, on 05 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Nice thread as usual Bee. :tu: ..

And though I personally wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the circus-like, dollar-making 'disclosure projects' to yield any real dividends [by way of forcing the beans to be spilled] , I do think that they are an excellent conduit for tapping into  a number of stories from guys that we otherwise may never have heard from, [some fascinating and quite compelling ....and some of them obvious BS'ers]


cheers 1963....


It's early days for the Citizen Hearing...and we will see what we shall see...and how it pans out...

For example....last night I listened to part of an audio from Day 2 ...that had  first hand witness testimony from

the American Servicemen Sgt John Burrows and Sgt Jim Penniston...the ones who approached and in the case of

Penniston, actually touched the Craft that landed in Rendlesham Forrest, 1980 !!!



Those guys have had major health problems after the incident but can't get the military to release anything to their doctors,

so they can be diagnosed and treated better.

Not sure...but I think it's the first time they've gone public, in this way...



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...And like you, I am initially of the opinion that 'the guy in the Richard Dolan video' exudes a favourable amount of authenticity,[but i've been wrong on this before... :blush: ]..however, I cannot square the fact that an old man that apparently has one foot firmly in the grave, and is no longer in fear of reprisals....deems it necessary to deny us his  true provenance by deciding to withhold his full identity and curriculum vitae ??...bit odd that?...I mean , that if the reason was to protect his 'loved-ones' from being targeted after his demise...then surely he knows that whomever he is running scared of....already know who he is anyway, by means of his appearing on video and declaring the  positions that he formally held... and hence his 'loved-ones' are already in their sights!..??


I suppose he has his reasons. He did say that he didn't use his real name while he worked for the CIA...

Although his identity will be known by the 'authorities'....maybe he was trying to protect his family from  intrusion.

People tracking them down and asking this and that about him.... I expect it is their privacy he wants to protect...?

Imagine the debunker crew delving into all of his family history, relatives and friends...trying to find something, anything to discredit

his testimony.




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..but his tale of Eisenhower threatening 'the almighty secret-keepers at area 51' with the army, is both new and... strangely-believable!....[but I wouldn't be prepared to say that it was likely without a good deal more of corroborative evidence!


That bit will be chewed over for many years to come, I think.....




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[by the way...hope you are well and enjoying the bank holiday my friend!]


Cheers.


thankyou....same to you.... :tu:


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:24 AM

View Postbee, on 04 May 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

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president in the dark: anonymous pack your bags and go out to area 51 and tell whoever is in charge that i need to know what's going on

area 51 manager: welcome anonymous, here's the recovered roswell craft which is made of foil and here is the alien autopsy film which we can't show to the president

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:41 AM

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View Postmcrom901, on 05 May 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

president in the dark: anonymous pack your bags and go out to area 51 and tell whoever is in charge that i need to know what's going on

area 51 manager: welcome anonymous, here's the recovered roswell craft which is made of foil and here is the alien autopsy film which we can't show the president




awwwwwww...didn't he mention plasma? Never mind, eh.... :rolleyes:


Put whatever spin on it you want....belittle the man and his words...I expect there's a lot more of that to come.

He has said what he has said...people can make their own minds up about how 'legit' they think it is.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

what we now call Area 51 (Groom Lake) was used by the CIA for testing,and then for operational flights, of the U-2, and then A-12/SR-71, from 1955. Now why on earth, if they were fully engaged on such an importnat program (an operational program, involving clandestine penetrations into Soviet airspace, as well as testing & development), would they be willing to have the distraction of storing crashed flying Saucers there as well? It would be secure, obviously, but it'd also attract unwelcome attention from people obsessed about flying Saucers, and would surely involve lots of other people, from lots of other clandestine departments, about the place. it'd just be a distraction, and would surely compromise security. So I can't really see that Groom Lake would make a good place for evaluation of extraterrestrial Spacecraft as well. I think that's be much more liekly (if it was likely at all) somewnere lese rather than to risk distracting another importnat project.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:13 AM

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View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 05 May 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

what we now call Area 51 (Groom Lake) was used by the CIA for testing,and then for operational flights, of the U-2, and then A-12/SR-71, from 1955. Now why on earth, if they were fully engaged on such an importnat program (an operational program, involving clandestine penetrations into Soviet airspace, as well as testing & development), would they be willing to have the distraction of storing crashed flying Saucers there as well? It would be secure, obviously, but it'd also attract unwelcome attention from people obsessed about flying Saucers, and would surely involve lots of other people, from lots of other clandestine departments, about the place. it'd just be a distraction, and would surely compromise security. So I can't really see that Groom Lake would make a good place for evaluation of extraterrestrial Spacecraft as well. I think that's be much more liekly (if it was likely at all) somewnere lese rather than to risk distracting another importnat project.


You think they were just storing them there?

Like...'Flying Saucers' going dusty in a big warehouse.... :)

Oh I don't know...maybe, just maybe they were studying them....trying to reverse engineer them.

Testing and developing what they could learn for military use.

Did the general public have any idea at all what was going on at Area 51 back in the 1950s?...I doubt it very much.

If the new whistleblower is to be believed...the President himself had to threaten them with the Army to even find out anything..


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:59 AM

View Postbee, on 05 May 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

cheers 1963....


It's early days for the Citizen Hearing...and we will see what we shall see...and how it pans out...

For example....last night I listened to part of an audio from Day 2 ...that had  first hand witness testimony from

the American Servicemen Sgt John Burrows and Sgt Jim Penniston...the ones who approached and in the case of

Penniston, actually touched the Craft that landed in Rendlesham Forrest, 1980 !!!
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just found what I listened to last night....






there are other parts.....I anticipate that we will see this and other sections of the Hearing in a better format in the coming days/weeks...


those retired congress men and women can be annoying at times.... ^_^



I spelt Burroughs' name wrong earlier.....it's Burroughs not Burrows



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

View Postbee, on 05 May 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

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You think they were just storing them there?

Like...'Flying Saucers' going dusty in a big warehouse.... :)

Oh I don't know...maybe, just maybe they were studying them....trying to reverse engineer them.

Testing and developing what they could learn for military use.

Did the general public have any idea at all what was going on at Area 51 back in the 1950s?...I doubt it very much.

If the new whistleblower is to be believed...the President himself had to threaten them with the Army to even find out anything..


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I'm not sure if that makes much sense. Would the Army have any more authority than the Air Force or CIA, or whoever was in charge at Area 51 at the time? And threatening to turn one branch of the armed forces on another, or on the nation's intelligence service, because they wouldn't reveal all about what they were doing, sounds like a recipe for a military coup.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

The moral of the story. Citiznes say = 0 unfortunately. America and it's phony democracy is one of the worst countries in the world run by the energy lobby and defense morons.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:38 AM

View Postbee, on 05 May 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

awwwwwww...didn't he mention plasma? Never mind, eh.... :rolleyes:

isn't that what the scientific data is showing? i.e. lights in the sky are an atmospheric phenomena and not spaceships?

plasma, you mentioned it last time and ignored my response... is it because i don't subscribe blindly to the et 'assumption' anymore?

View Postbee, on 05 May 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

Put whatever spin on it you want....belittle the man and his words...I expect there's a lot more of that to come.

He has said what he has said...people can make their own minds up about how 'legit' they think it is.

i suppose it doesn't matter either way... what about all the exposed whistle-blowers from the past? the us government has classified info concerning ufos, therefore they're hiding et wreckage and corpses, right? i'm beginning to sense a pattern here... it's not about ufos anymore, bur et disclosure...


Bassett wants so much to bring the issue of ET Disclosure in front of the public that he appears willing to do anything at all to further his cause. At an appearance on The Paracast he was asked by David & Gene why he gave credence to known charlatans. He stated that it didn’t matter if the people who took the stage were credible or not. All that mattered was to get the idea before the public. He said,


The problem is not about our opinions about who is a laughingstock. It’s all about the government. Don’t worry about the individual aspects of people in the field. I don’t care about your background. Credibility is not an issue in the Disclosure process. I just don’t care. It’s not my concern and I’m not in a position to sort it out. I don’t give a damn."


http://www.ufowatchd...hen_bassett.htm


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

View PostSakari, on 04 May 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

The speakers were paid $20,000 dollars to attend this.

Pales in comparison to defense contractors and the energy lobby.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 04 May 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

How exactly are the citizens going to get the government to disclose anything that it's dubbed "top secret" and thus has laws to insulate itself from having to release?

I think the only way disclosure will force the governments hand is if there is a national outcry. I think it's the reason why people who seem credible sometimes encounter harassment following a flap. A bunch of UFO personalities and the occasional whistle blower is not going to force disclosure but it helps pave the way.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:19 PM

Bee- nice finds - interesting. Couple things - we know that Eisenhower certainly had heavy suspicions about the depth, intensity, and heavy influence of the "military industrial complex" as he put it in that famous speech of his given near the end of his presidency. It's hard to believe the control of the MJ 12 group had been wrested away from the presidency in such a short span of time - 10-12 years. Truman apparently created it in 1947 and it was reporting directly - and only - to him. Why would any president allow that to happen? Especially someone of Eisenhower's stature - a recently retired 5 star General. Then, according to this testimony, he has to recruit a couple guys from the CIA to go out and find out what's going on....? All that seems quite strange and odd to me.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:33 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 05 May 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

I'm not sure if that makes much sense. Would the Army have any more authority than the Air Force or CIA, or whoever was in charge at Area 51 at the time? And threatening to turn one branch of the armed forces on another, or on the nation's intelligence service, because they wouldn't reveal all about what they were doing, sounds like a recipe for a military coup.

maybe it got close to a military coup...who knows

And that's why who-ever held the power at Area 51  gave the messengers that Eisenhower sent... the info that he demanded?



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

View Postmcrom901, on 05 May 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

isn't that what the scientific data is showing? i.e. lights in the sky are an atmospheric phenomena and not spaceships?

plasma, you mentioned it last time and ignored my response... is it because i don't subscribe blindly to the et 'assumption' anymore?


I wasn't aware that you subscribed blindly to anything, including ET assumptions...

You seem happy with plasma and atmospheric phenomena as the answer to the whole UFO/ET question now...

Each to their own.



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i suppose it doesn't matter either way... what about all the exposed whistle-blowers from the past? the us government has classified info concerning ufos, therefore they're hiding et wreckage and corpses, right? i'm beginning to sense a pattern here... it's not about ufos anymore, bur et disclosure...

Wasn't it always?



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Bassett wants so much to bring the issue of ET Disclosure in front of the public that he appears willing to do anything at all to further his cause. At an appearance on The Paracast he was asked by David & Gene why he gave credence to known charlatans. He stated that it didn’t matter if the people who took the stage were credible or not. All that mattered was to get the idea before the public. He said,

The problem is not about our opinions about who is a laughingstock. It’s all about the government. Don’t worry about the individual aspects of people in the field. I don’t care about your background. Credibility is not an issue in the Disclosure process. I just don’t care. It’s not my concern and I’m not in a position to sort it out. I don’t give a damn."

http://www.ufowatchd...hen_bassett.htm


sounds like they wound him up good and proper...and asking someone why they gave credence to known charlatans...is a sneaky and

loaded question....and he must have responded in anger.


in fact under the quote you gave.....it says..


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He then became extremely upset and literally blew a fuse. His voice went up an octave and he became totally incoherent


so as far as the paracast hosts were concerned that was job done, I expect.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:07 PM

View Posttopsecretresearch, on 05 May 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

I think the only way disclosure will force the governments hand is if there is a national outcry. I think it's the reason why people who seem credible sometimes encounter harassment following a flap. A bunch of UFO personalities and the occasional whistle blower is not going to force disclosure but it helps pave the way.

It does help pave the way.....although I think many (most) people have given up on the US government ever disclosing the nitty gritty

probably because the nitty gritty involves Defence and National Security.

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