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#31    bee

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostScudbuster, on 05 May 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Bee- nice finds - interesting. Couple things - we know that Eisenhower certainly had heavy suspicions about the depth, intensity, and heavy influence of the "military industrial complex" as he put it in that famous speech of his given near the end of his presidency. It's hard to believe the control of the MJ 12 group had been wrested away from the presidency in such a short span of time - 10-12 years. Truman apparently created it in 1947 and it was reporting directly - and only - to him. Why would any president allow that to happen? Especially someone of Eisenhower's stature - a recently retired 5 star General. Then, according to this testimony, he has to recruit a couple guys from the CIA to go out and find out what's going on....? All that seems quite strange and odd to me.


Yes it does.....and it would probably take loads of research to get to the bottom of it.....if it could be got to the bottom of at all....

with the information available in the public arena.


I certainly haven't got the time to do it..... :)


edit....lol...maybe it didn't take so long to get to the bottom of it after all...

see my post below...that just happens to be #33.... :w00t:



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Edited by bee, 05 May 2013 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:44 PM

View Post1963, on 05 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Nice thread as usual Bee. :tu: ..

And though I personally wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the circus-like, dollar-making 'disclosure projects' to yield any real dividends [by way of forcing the beans to be spilled] , I do think that they are an excellent conduit for tapping into a number of stories from guys that we otherwise may never have heard from, [some fascinating and quite compelling ....and some of them obvious BS'ers]
...And like you, I am initially of the opinion that 'the guy in the Richard Dolan video' exudes a favourable amount of authenticity,[but i've been wrong on this before... :blush: ]..however, I cannot square the fact that an old man that apparently has one foot firmly in the grave, and is no longer in fear of reprisals....deems it necessary to deny us his  true provenance by deciding to withhold his full identity and curriculum vitae ??...bit odd that?...I mean , that if the reason was to protect his 'loved-ones' from being targeted after his demise...then surely he knows that whomever he is running scared of....already know who he is anyway, by means of his appearing on video and declaring the  positions that he formally held... and hence his 'loved-ones' are already in their sights!..??

..but his tale of Eisenhower threatening 'the almighty secret-keepers at area 51' with the army, is both new and... strangely-believable!....[but I wouldn't be prepared to say that it was likely without a good deal more of corroborative evidence!]

[by the way...hope you are well and enjoying the bank holiday my friend!]


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Maybe the anonymity of the old gentleman was  intended to prevent media people, and the merely curious from pestering an old man in ill health. He mentioned a medical treatment that might prolong his life, so perhaps he's reckoning with the possibility of being around a while longer.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostScudbuster, on 05 May 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Bee- nice finds - interesting. Couple things - we know that Eisenhower certainly had heavy suspicions about the depth, intensity, and heavy influence of the "military industrial complex" as he put it in that famous speech of his given near the end of his presidency. It's hard to believe the control of the MJ 12 group had been wrested away from the presidency in such a short span of time - 10-12 years. Truman apparently created it in 1947 and it was reporting directly - and only - to him. Why would any president allow that to happen? Especially someone of Eisenhower's stature - a recently retired 5 star General. Then, according to this testimony, he has to recruit a couple guys from the CIA to go out and find out what's going on....? All that seems quite strange and odd to me.

I had a thought regarding why Truman could have had access to information that Eisenhower didn't....

So I searched.....was Eisenhower a Freemason?



http://wiki.answers....enhower_a_Mason

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Apparently not, as he indicated in his remarks at an Annual Breakfast for Masonic Leaders. "In such a body as this, I feel not only at home, I feel a warm sense of fellowship that I am certain can scarcely be closer were I a member myself of this great organization. "



then...was Truman a freemason?



http://wiki.answers....man_A_Freemason


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Yes. Truman became a Mason in 1909 and served as Grand Master of Masons in Missouri in 1940-41. He was often quoted as saying that he considered his service as Grand Master to have been more important than his service as President of the United States.



maybe that was the vital difference between the two Presidents....? And why Eisenhower had to go to such lengths to find out

what was going on...



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 05:31 PM

There's soon to be an announcement from the Pope telling the world that UFOs are real and ETs are closer to God and are here to show us the way.
You heard it here first !


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostAlien Hybrid, on 05 May 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

There's soon to be an announcement from the Pope telling the world that UFOs are real and ETs are closer to God and are here to show us the way.
You heard it here first !

:w00t: :sk :w00t:


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostAlien Hybrid, on 05 May 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

There's soon to be an announcement from the Pope telling the world that UFOs are real and ETs are closer to God and are here to show us the way.
You heard it here first !
Well, let's hope so.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:37 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 04 May 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

How exactly are the citizens going to get the government to disclose anything that it's dubbed "top secret" and thus has laws to insulate itself from having to release?

The citizens must take command of the situation.  If the government does not wish to acknowledge reality, the government's opinions are meaningless.

This is fascinating news Bee.  Have you watched the proceedings?


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:04 PM

Do you really think for one second Babe,that the Government could hold such a secret ? Everything Leaks out of the Government ! Everything ! Sooner or Later ! Too many eyes and ears on the ground to Keep anything a secret !

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 05 May 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

The citizens must take command of the situation.  If the government does not wish to acknowledge reality, the government's opinions are meaningless.

This is fascinating news Bee.  Have you watched the proceedings?


No...I only heard about it a couple of days ago...I expect it will all be out on video soon.


There are short extracts here  http://www.youtube.c...ingMedia/videos


I just had a look at this one...(because I listened to the audio of part of day 2 last night)





the military men she is talking about in the second half are the ones I was mentioning earlier..

The two American Servicemen who went to the Craft in Rendlesham Forrest, UK, 1980...


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 05 May 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Do you really think for one second Babe,that the Government could hold such a secret ? Everything Leaks out of the Government ! Everything ! Sooner or Later ! Too many eyes and ears on the ground to Keep anything a secret !
Exactly the same as with all these (particularly 9/11) Conspiracies. Has anyone ever heard of a Govt. that competent that they managed to plan all that and keep it secret ever since?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:14 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 05 May 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Exactly the same as with all these (particularly 9/11) Conspiracies. Has anyone ever heard of a Govt. that competent that they managed to plan all that and keep it secret ever since?
We have the Proof ! THe Proof is that its never been done ! 9/11, Sandy Hook,UFO`s, Texas Fertilizer explosion,All the C.T`s can Blabber all they want,ITs up to the informed and semi-educated to understand that these people are not in the Know ! :tu:

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:59 PM

Over 900 sightings and yet none of them reported seeing the T.A.R.D.I.S lol such a shame.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:02 PM

agreed it is time to lift the veil already.like i tell people and others disclosure will not come from the governments at all especially the not the united states of America!!!people have to get that through their minds now and remember that.900 police officers one has to be supremely ignorant and close minded to ignore any further evidence.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:09 AM

I think the videos from the hearings are posted on Huffington Post. I was following it all last week - it was live streaming.

Edited to add, as usual the mainstream media makes a joke of the whole thing:

http://www.nytimes.c....=fb-share&_r=1

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]One reason the ex-members of Congress agreed to sit on the dais and ask questions may have been curiosity.
“Our country has trivialized it, has made it a joke, has made it green people with horns sticking out,” said Carolyn Kilpatrick, a Democratic representative from Michigan who lost her seat in 2010. “Now I find that it’s much more than that. And it’s not a joke. And there is scientific data that there may be something there.”
Another reason might have been the $20,000 the organizers said they paid each panelist. But they are still maintaining a healthy skepticism.
“Just because the government might have had a document about how to handle extraterrestrials doesn’t mean there were any,” said Merrill Cook, a Republican from Utah who was twice elected to the House.
The panels this week have been low-hanging fruit for the news media while President Obama is out of town and Congress is out of session, and not all of the people who study U.F.O.’s think the meetings will help them improve their stature in Washington.
“There really is something to this issue, and there is a serious side to it, but that’s not what’s being presented as this event,” said Leslie Kean, a journalist and author of “U.F.O.’s: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record,” a collection of firsthand accounts by people who believe they saw them.[/size]


Edited by archernyc, 06 May 2013 - 02:12 AM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:30 AM

View Postbee, on 04 May 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

general information about the Citizen Hearing...


Looks like the usual crowd, Hellyer, Greer, Howe Pope and Dolan. They have been promising "disclosure: for decades now. This year "the one" is it?

I noted interesting words from Leslie Kean regarding this gathering.


“There really is something to this issue, and there is a serious side to it, but that’s not what’s being presented as this event,” said Leslie Kean, a journalist and author of “U.F.O.’s: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record,” a collection of firsthand accounts by people who believe they saw them.
The conclusion that U.F.O.’s are proof of extraterrestrial life is misguided, she said, and the people who broadcast that belief hindered support for real scientific research.


I think it might well be the first time I have agreed with her. Dissension in the ranks? Nothing new I suppose. The ETH is so silly these days that even the UFOlogists cannot agree amongst themselves any more.

Edited by psyche101, 06 May 2013 - 02:30 AM.

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