Which "everybody" are you referring to? The ones you dreamed up. I quoted five Trinitarian Bibles at Post 21 http://www.unexplain...15#entry4761689 and they all refused to render Ecclesiastes 12:1 with the plural "Creators." I'm talking "Trintarian Bibles" as in, "the publishers of those Bibles believe in the Trinity." Below is a partial listing:
1. New International Bible (NIV)
2. New Living Translation (NLT)
3. English Standard Version (ESV)
4. New American Standard Bible (NASB)
5. King James Bible (KJB)
6. Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
7. International Standard Version (ISV)
8. NET Bible
9. GOD's WORD Translation (GWT)
10. American Standard Version (ASV)
11. Douay-Rheims Bible (DRB)
12. Darby Bible Translation (DBT)
13. English Revised Version (ERV)
14. Webster's Bible Translation (WBT)
15. World English Bible (WEB)
Those are among the "everybody" that you claim agrees with you?
FYI: All of the Trinitarian Bibles insert an occasional fabrication--when they figure they can get away with it. Clearly, they realize they cannot get away with the translation blunder at Ecclesiastes 12:1 and so the have all avoided it, with a very few exceptions.
BTW. The above portion of your last post that I quoted is as far as I got. When someone starts responding with a wall of text after I ask them a simple question, that's proof positive that they are not willing to reason on the scriptures. Loading up a post with a wall of text or sending people to a third party website to read page after page of tripe is referred to as "Elephant Hurling." The intent is to load up the opponent with more info than the opponent is willing to handle all at one time. This saves the person doing the elephant hurling from being challenged on the misinformation that is part and parcel of the wall of text. The person doing the elephant hurling then proceeds to claim victory when the opponent refuses to deal with the wall of text.
Don't hold your breath waiting for me to respond to anything else you plastered into Post 32. I asked you a direct question at Post 31, which you are now evading by means of your elephant hurling behavior.
The everybody is every single Hebrew speaker and translator out there. The English is a deliberate mistranslation, because of the view that such a term as "Creators" is not warranted and due to the fact that other manuscripts have it in the singular but the Masoretic text has it in the plural, which is deliberately ignored.
You are absolutely ignorant of manuscript evidence, to determine independently on what the correct reading is. When coupled to your confusion in determining the difference between the "Nature" of God and the "Hierarchy", of God, it is no surprise that you come to the conclusions you do.
Claiming Trinitarian fabrication is not Kosher, it is "flame baiting" unless you have evidence of such a thing, which you don't.
Let's be honest here, the reason you really didn't answer my post is because you can't answer it without showing the tumble of confusion you are in, you cannot refute a single thing I said in that post which is why you are running and hiding behind terms like " with a wall of text" and "Elephant Hurling" , which makes me laugh. You claim to have asked a simple question that I avoided... If you had bothered to read my post instead of filibustering and wasting everybody's precious time, you would have noticed that I did answer your post, in detail.
Were you expecting a simple sentence in answer to your post?
Do you think a subject like this can be answered in a simple sentence to your satisfaction? You will never be satisfied even with evidence staring you straight in your face, which is why you have refused to answer my post, that evidence was indeed staring you in the face and you had no answer for it, so you rejected it with a pathetic excuse.
As I stated, my answer to your question in post 31 is there for everybody to see... your filibustering does not pull the wool over anyone's eyes. If you do not answer my post in full you will have effectively admitted you don't have an argument.
We are supposedly here to debate, you have yet to do so. why have you not answered a single post where effective biblical evidence of the Trinity has been given to you? ( and that would include mine)
Good luck and all that.
Edited by Jor-el, 06 May 2013 - 09:01 PM.