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Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories


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#61    Kludge808

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:21 PM

View Postshrooma, on 06 May 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

cheers kludge!
how many posts do you have to make before you can pick your own title?
i've got a couple that at least won't make me sound like I should be wearing a tin-foil hat so the Govt. can't read my brainwaves!
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The magic number is 1000.  You're close and Seeder's well past that point.

I had to ask one of the Moderaptorial Entities about it since it doesn't seem to be published anywhere.  Also, there seems to be no limit to the number of times you can change your title, kind of like being able to change one's username.

Actually, one could continually change image, title and username, and cause a conspiracy theory to be generated. :-D

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:23 PM

View PostTesla II, on 06 May 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Still there are some out there who are making them as fruit growing in garden...like Alex Jones or Coast2Coast... both are fantastic source for movie scripts..
Or novel fodder.  Science fiction writers love that sort of stuff because it makes creating ideas for a story line so much easier.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postshrooma, on 06 May 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

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rusty, how do you do that cool little smiley??
I want one!!
(or are you all conspiring against me to keep me from having one?!
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Hmmm ... shows as a square with 30C4 inside on two lines for me.  It must be a conspiracy.  It has to be, in fact.  What conspiracy, I'm not sure yet but it will eventually come out.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:32 PM

View PostKludge808, on 06 May 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Or novel fodder.  Science fiction writers love that sort of stuff because it makes creating ideas for a story line so much easier.

Agreed but what about those people out there who are listening way to much... that isnt good for the mind. Making a conspiracy because neighbour bought a shovel and a bag..

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:49 PM

View PostKludge808, on 06 May 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

The magic number is 1000.  You're close and Seeder's well past that point.

I had to ask one of the Moderaptorial Entities about it since it doesn't seem to be published anywhere.  Also, there seems to be no limit to the number of times you can change your title, kind of like being able to change one's username.

Actually, one could continually change image, title and username, and cause a conspiracy theory to be generated. :-D

OK sorted it now...not too tough in the end, but then I ran out of ideas so Im stuck with 'The Tester' till my brain has a creative moment! Cheers!

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:59 PM

View PostTesla II, on 06 May 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Agreed but what about those people out there who are listening way to much... that isnt good for the mind. Making a conspiracy because neighbour bought a shovel and a bag..
This is very true.  What I find interesting is that a single event can generate a number of conflicting conspiracy theories, each having its own supporters.  9/11 is a good example (And anyone who starts a 9/11 discussion here will be subject to the Wrath of Waspie!) since it created a bunch of them.  They all start with the premise that "da Ebil Gummint Lies!"  Well, yeah.  That's part of the process of doing business as a government.  All governments lie as a matter of policy.  The fact that a government lies about one thing does not automatically imply it will lie about everything else.  That is a logical fallacy that can be disproven rather easily.

Calling a government (as an entity) a "pathological liar," which has been done by at least one person here, says that the government in question is incapable of telling the truth.  That is the definition of being a pathological liar.  It also says that any documents like licenses are automatically invalid, that any payments made by the government to its citizenry are worthless and so on.  This extends from the top down to even the smallest local governmental entity.

But then, what of the CTists (conspiracy theorists) who fabricate evidence to support their claims?  What about the fact that any time a weakness in a CT (conspiracy theory) is exposed, it has to change and grow to cover that weakness.  (One thing I've learned is that any given CT can expand to the point that every man, woman and child alive now and yet to be born has to be part of it or it fails completely.)  And what about the fact that the CTists have absolutely no problem with the fact that there are many, many contradictory CTs covering a single event?

OTOH, expecting the official version of an event to remain constant is illogical since it will change with new discoveries.  While CTists point to these changes as solid evidence of "hiding the truth," they are normal for any ongoing investigation, especially if the base reference point is the chaos immediately following a major event.  Once all of the real evidence is gathered and the official story stabilizes, it doesn't have to grow to cover weaknesses.  Will it be perfect?  Nope.  There will always be questions that lack answers.  There will always be holes that are left unfilled.  Such is the nature of reality.  It's also one major difference between the truth and a CT.  The latter will do all it can to cover any holes to leave an absolutely airtight story, pouncing on the unanswered questions in the official version as though they were gold in the process.

I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory, not to believe but to read as the pure fiction that it is.  A well done one is definitely worthy of being made into a screenplay.

BTW, I swiped your sig to use in the one I have for the various ham radio lists I'm on.  They'll get a kick out of it. :-)

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:22 PM

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Long time no see.  Earlier in this thread I offered that perhaps an alternate title to the thread would be Why Do People Believe Known Liars.  Pretty funny, eh?

Anyway to your point above, most people did not start at the point "da ebil guvmint" as you suggest.  Most CTs start from the simple and easy premise that the official story cannot be true.  It is a lie.  Fails under close scrutiny.  Contradicts the laws of physics.

However else you may want to put it, but "da ebil guvmint" was not the starting point, but rather the logical conclusion of analyzing facts and being able to see the big picture.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:47 PM

I believe in "Conspiracy Theories" When the "official " Story seems fishy and when there is IMO some clear evidence which points to a  Conspiracy theory.
I believe with the vast majority of Conspiracy Theories they are not true. And are based on rumours and gossip. Where there isn't any evidence.
I do agree that some people such as Alex Jones and David Icke, obviously have something wrong with them, the way they throw accusations around and come up with the most absurd stuff.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:34 AM

There are varied reasons. Conspiracies are part of the historical record. It's not silly to believe that movers and shakers sometimes engage in conspiracies. Santayana explains it best. Of course, that doesn't mean that all or most claims should be given the same weight. It's best to judge each case on its own merits. Don't engage in all-or-nothing thinking. Do your own research, independent of others' claims.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:42 AM

Here's a corollary. Why do some people reflexively believe and trust authority figures? They're just as dangerous as fanatics at the opposite end, in my opinion. My own theory is that people throw the baby out with the bath water because they don't want to be identified with "those people". If you're a conspiracy theorist, the other people are sheep. If you're a hardened skeptic, the other people are nuts. That's why it's so important to examine each individual case on its own. Forget about "us" and "them", and step out of your box.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:16 AM

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:32 AM

The explanation is simple, people like being stupid.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:09 AM

Yes why do people believe in conspiracies and hoaxes like the one that communists from Nicaragua will come to destroy the US or why do people believe in a hoax that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? Or why did they believe that Vietnamese people will come to destroy US? Where are people's brains? Where are the skeptics and debunkers to tell people that it's all a BIG FAT LIE?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:25 AM

You gotta watch immigrants -- they do all sorts of things like introduce new cuisines and customs and fashions and ideas.  Before you know it you are a much richer, happier nation.





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