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#31    Jessica Christ

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

The militias who did this payed some price and were ran out of their compound. [link]

In the future we should better work with the locals to capture and detain whoever was responsible since the price they payed was not great enough. Most likely this investigation is still ongoing and in time there will be headway and detentions but you might not ever be privy to that.

As far as turning on our own and making one of our own pay a price, we are evolving beyond that. We have to form a united front and not begin cannibalizing our own.

Of course we are not doing that at all, no one is going to resign, no one is going to be fired, there will be no impeachment, no wars are going to be started since we cannot trace it to a government, we are already at war with "terror", or so we were led to believe, there is not going to be a war between liberals and conservatives over this, some can try but are going to be surprised no one shows up because they are too busy listening to AM radio and Fox news while the rest of us are working on progress, and we are not weak since we are importing democracy and our values as proven by the Arab spring in Libya where local villagers got revenge for us and ran the militia out of town.

The vitriolic response from the radical right is simply being dismissed.

Have a good day.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 06 May 2013 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:50 PM

 and then, on 06 May 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

But your honor please have mercy on me, I'm an orphan since I killed my mom and dad...  Bottom line here is that these men were cut loose to die and NO ONE has paid any price, not even politically, for it.  No one has resigned or been held accountable and MOST important, not a single perpetrator has been ID'd or brought to justice.  Do you have any concept of how serious an act it is to murder diplomatic personnel?  Wars have started for this - and a country that will not defend it's own diplomats is considered a weakling in this world.  The Liberal worldview smacks of weakness and cowardice on any issue not related to funding for more Liberal programs - i.e. more votes.

In Vietnam and in other wars, our government has left thousands of soldiers to die for "political expediency". Obama is just like any other career politician who has done the same thing.
To them, in their minds, the end justifies the means.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:52 PM

 Leave Britney alone!, on 06 May 2013 - 03:17 AM, said:

Opportunistic, using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Kinda like how the liberal anti-gunners are using Newtown and Aurora to push their gun control agenda...


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

 aztek, on 06 May 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

you mean just like it helped with 9\11 and boston?
Your right about that.  Guess everyone on here has forgotten republicans don't pay attention to intelligence reports either.  Its all on the democrats according to the right.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:20 PM

 Kowalski, on 06 May 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Kinda like how the liberal anti-gunners are using Newtown and Aurora to push their gun control agenda...

You have a minor and valid point but nuance is required.

A small group of conspiracy-minded invdividuals whom society does not take seriously should be contrasted with a majority of society who is sincerly reacting to the rise of mass shootings. But if you want to discuss that there are more appropriate threads...


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

 spartan max2, on 05 May 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Lets see how this goes.

My predictions is that they tell us the whole truth but everyone ignores it.
What do you expect from a nation of people that ignore Sibel Edmonds.  America is not being dummbed down, American's by and large a waaaaay past dumb.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:08 PM

 and then, on 06 May 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

These men DIED and did not have to die.  They were sacrificed for a political campaign and anyone who excuses that and supports those who did it is as disgusting as the perpetrators.  I'm sure the left DOES want to move on and hush it up - NOT gonna happen, old lad....

When word of the attack came in to Obama were those men still alive? Did the US have any useful military resources that could have made it to the area in time to save them? Because it sounds like they were killed early in the attack and aside from risking a bunch of civilians there wasn't much more the US could have done to save them.

Naturally in these situations there were communication and intelligence failures and those should be dealt with, but to claim that the US government knowningly and willingly let people die for no other reason than to protect a political campaign without solid proof is just as disgusting. Blame for these deaths should be pinned on Obama is there is evidence that he allowed it to happen. "I hate Obama so he must be guilty of everything" is not a good enough reason.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:16 PM

 Corp, on 06 May 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

When word of the attack came in to Obama were those men still alive? Did the US have any useful military resources that could have made it to the area in time to save them? Because it sounds like they were killed early in the attack and aside from risking a bunch of civilians there wasn't much more the US could have done to save them.

Naturally in these situations there were communication and intelligence failures and those should be dealt with, but to claim that the US government knowningly and willingly let people die for no other reason than to protect a political campaign without solid proof is just as disgusting. Blame for these deaths should be pinned on Obama is there is evidence that he allowed it to happen. "I hate Obama so he must be guilty of everything" is not a good enough reason.
All of that is kind of irrelevant.  The fact is whoever in the state department is in charge of setting up embassys (Hilary) should have known that when you have a country that is so hostile to the USA that the USA has not had an embassy in, and therefore no relationship with, that nation at all, for over 30 years you do not half ass security and defense when setting up your new embassy.  If the poor prior relationship was not reason enough to be thorough, how about setting up an embassy in a politically very unstable nation that is historically hostile to the USA, and just underwent a bloody civil war and as yet has no permanent government?  Bottom line, ball dropped, big time, by the US state department.  Causing an international debacle and the lives of several Americans.  What makes it worse is no body had the testicular fortitude to step up and take the blame, and instead tried to blame the entire thing on a "peacful" protest against a movie gone wrong.  People really, really need to consider all of these facts before giving the administration a free pass and chalk it up to **** happens.

Edited by OverSword, 06 May 2013 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:48 PM

 OverSword, on 06 May 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

All of that is kind of irrelevant.  The fact is whoever in the state department is in charge of setting up embassys (Hilary) should have known that when you have a country that is so hostile to the USA that the USA has not had an embassy in, and therefore no relationship with, that nation at all, for over 30 years you do not half ass security and defense when setting up your new embassy.  If the poor prior relationship was not reason enough to be thorough, how about setting up an embassy in a politically very unstable nation that is historically hostile to the USA, and just underwent a bloody civil war and as yet has no permanent government?  Bottom line, ball dropped, big time, by the US state department.  Causing an international debacle and the lives of several Americans.  What makes it worse is no body had the testicular fortitude to step up and take the blame, and instead tried to blame the entire thing on a "peacful" protest against a movie gone wrong.  People really, really need to consider all of these facts before giving the administration a free pass and chalk it up to **** happens.

:tu:  Didn't Obama once say, "The buck stops here".....


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:04 PM

 OverSword, on 06 May 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

All of that is kind of irrelevant.  The fact is whoever in the state department is in charge of setting up embassys (Hilary) should have known that when you have a country that is so hostile to the USA that the USA has not had an embassy in, and therefore no relationship with, that nation at all, for over 30 years you do not half ass security and defense when setting up your new embassy.  If the poor prior relationship was not reason enough to be thorough, how about setting up an embassy in a politically very unstable nation that is historically hostile to the USA, and just underwent a bloody civil war and as yet has no permanent government?  Bottom line, ball dropped, big time, by the US state department.  Causing an international debacle and the lives of several Americans.  What makes it worse is no body had the testicular fortitude to step up and take the blame, and instead tried to blame the entire thing on a "peacful" protest against a movie gone wrong.  People really, really need to consider all of these facts before giving the administration a free pass and chalk it up to **** happens.

If the administration failed then it should own up to those failures and make every effort to ensure that American buildings are properly protected. Though at the same time people need to consider all the facts of the events before throwing 100% of the blame on certain individuals within the administration.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

 Corp, on 06 May 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

If the administration failed then it should own up to those failures and make every effort to ensure that American buildings are properly protected. Though at the same time people need to consider all the facts of the events before throwing 100% of the blame on certain individuals within the administration.
You know what?  When the producers at my company fail to meet quotas, it's not long before thier boss is replaced.  It's the job of the people at the top to be in charge of creating and implementing a succesful plan of action.  Failure to do so is negligent.  In this case thier failure cost lives.  To make matters worse they lie about it and distract the public from the truth of, and scope of thier failures.  This is solidly under the jurisdiction of the US state department.  The very first thing that should have been done by our president was quietly ask Mrs. Clinton for her resignation.  In case you failed to notice the various wikileaks that have embarrased this administration this is only one in a very long list of failures of the state department under Hilary.  If she was anything like a decent person, rather than a control freak, power monger, and egomaniac, she would have stepped down years ago.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:35 PM

 Leave Britney alone!, on 05 May 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

The only result will be more whining on AM radio and Fox news.

Kind of like the constant whining we hear about Bush 6 years after he's left the office?




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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

"Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans.

Johnson: I understand.

Clinton: Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?"

NewYorker link here  

Hmm, so it was either a protest over a crappy homemade movie as Rice told us initially, or it was just a bunch of guys out for a walk.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Nothing to do with Mujahedin, nothing at all.

Anyways, as Hillary as already asked us, what difference does it make?

/sarcasm off


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:58 PM

Here's an article I found.  I would like to know why they wouldn't let those men board that plane and who in the SOCSA gave this order and why.

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The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command South Africa.

http://www.cbsnews.c...during-attacks/






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