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In defense of our two-party system


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Poll: Two-party system (13 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you favor the two-party system?

  1. Yes (2 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. No (10 votes [76.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.92%

  3. Other (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

Do you desire change of our two party system?

  1. We should keep it. (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. I favor a single-party system. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. I favor a three-party system with the third being true moderate. (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  4. I favor a three-party system with the third being more libertarian and/or to the right. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. I favor a three-party system with the third being more progressive and/or to the left. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. I favor a multi-party system. (9 votes [69.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

  7. Other (2 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

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#16    Jessica Christ

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

That is pure democracy @ ouija ouija, and many besides politicans would be threatened by it.

All those in cities would have more of a say than those in the country. Minorities in certain areas where they form minority-majorities would clearly vote in ways that displease others.

Many from those in the right-wing would be the first to oppose this. The John Birsch society would likely label such democracy as mobocracy and socialism.

In either case, just something to think about, I personally favor democracy and allowing us to decide issues through referendum.


#17    ouija ouija

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:24 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

In either case, just something to think about, I personally favor democracy and allowing us to decide issues through referendum.

And how often do you have a referendum?

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#18    Norbert Dentressangle

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:24 PM

it is, I think, reasonable to observe that one basic flaw of Democracy, even if it was applied in a perfect form, is that what the majority wants is by no means necessarily what would in fact be best for the nation as a whole in the long term; how easily the Masses can be persuaded to vote for a particular idea or party through the power of the Media, or "Propaganda" as it used to be called in more honest times. Not to mention how it could easily lead to oppression of any group that the Majority saw as being different, or a potential threat, to them. This is why I don't really believe that, even if it was applied in a pure & perfect form, without all the Party squabbling, Democracy is necessarily the best system of government.

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#19    Jessica Christ

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:26 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 07 May 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

And how often do you have a referendum?

Not often enough!


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:37 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Not often enough!

Exactly!

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:02 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 07 May 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

it is, I think, reasonable to observe that one basic flaw of Democracy, even if it was applied in a perfect form, is that what the majority wants is by no means necessarily what would in fact be best for the nation as a whole in the long term; how easily the Masses can be persuaded to vote for a particular idea or party through the power of the Media, or "Propaganda" as it used to be called in more honest times. Not to mention how it could easily lead to oppression of any group that the Majority saw as being different, or a potential threat, to them. This is why I don't really believe that, even if it was applied in a pure & perfect form, without all the Party squabbling, Democracy is necessarily the best system of government.
I believe that if people were voting for an individual issue, they would involve themselves more in the entire process. More people would make more of an effort to discuss the issue at work and with friends and family, and also take the trouble to look for information on the subject so that they could have an informed opinion before voting. If people were voting for a policy rather than a group of individuals who have no interest in them(apart from getting them voted into government), I believe it would be less likely that they would be inluenced by 'propaganda'.
As for 'what the majority wants is not necessarily what would in fact be best for the nation as a whole in the long term': who is to say what is 'best'? Various governments over the years have made the most appalling mistakes but luckily for them, they were not affected ..... it's the 'man in the street' who has always borne the brunt of national mistakes.
Regarding 'oppression of minorities who appear different or a threat', same thing applies: who is to say they won't be a threat? The media and governments have always whipped up bad feeling against certain groups when it has suited their purpose. I believe this would be minimised or even disappear altogether, if people were voting for a single issue at a time.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:03 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 07 May 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

it is, I think, reasonable to observe that one basic flaw of Democracy, even if it was applied in a perfect form, is that what the majority wants is by no means necessarily what would in fact be best for the nation as a whole in the long term; how easily the Masses can be persuaded to vote for a particular idea or party through the power of the Media, or "Propaganda" as it used to be called in more honest times. Not to mention how it could easily lead to oppression of any group that the Majority saw as being different, or a potential threat, to them. This is why I don't really believe that, even if it was applied in a pure & perfect form, without all the Party squabbling, Democracy is necessarily the best system of government.
This is what is known as the extremes of Democracy and the Founding Fathers warned us of.  We are not a Democracy but a Republic.  We utilize Democratic principles but you won’t find the term Democracy in the Founding Documents.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:22 PM

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