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The Sphinx head - Is it the original?

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#31    DieChecker

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:07 PM

View PostHarte, on 12 May 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

It's pretty much a certainty that hieroglyphic writing developed right there in Egypt.

Ancient examples of early proto-writing there have been found on wood and ivory inventory tags made in predynastic times to label tax payments/tribute booty.

These early forms can be seen evolving over time into the earlier hieroglyphic forms.

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Isn't that the same way the middle eastern Cruneiform evolved?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:59 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 12 May 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Isn't that the same way the middle eastern Cruneiform evolved?

Yes.
Counting, and keeping up with the count of, money seems to be a strong influence on the ways of humans, eh?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:07 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 12 May 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

Now that Aquatus 1 pointed out in a quote, i should state that this is highly improbable since them bassets always lie down with their long sloppy ears and drooling. never do they sit erect. So, the sphinx could have never been a Basset hound.

View Postjaylemurph, on 12 May 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

That's actually very true. Basset hounds never sit up with they can lie down.

Blindness!  Do you not see that your very own arguments support the BassetSphynx theory?

Would you yourselves not immortalize in ancient stone itself, something as utterly amazing and inconceivable as a basset hound that sat upright and attentively, as opposed to some common doberman or lion that sits so vainly all the the time?


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:23 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 13 May 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

Blindness!  Do you not see that your very own arguments support the BassetSphynx theory?

Would you yourselves not immortalize in ancient stone itself, something as utterly amazing and inconceivable as a basset hound that sat upright and attentively, as opposed to some common doberman or lion that sits so vainly all the the time?
Maybe the BassetSphinx drool was what powered Cladkings counterweights hanging off the North East cliff face? :whistle: :innocent: :no:

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:33 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 13 May 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Maybe the BassetSphinx drool was what powered Cladkings counterweights hanging off the North East cliff face? :whistle: :innocent: :no:

I've often thought that very thing!

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 13 May 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Maybe the BassetSphinx drool was what powered Cladkings counterweights hanging off the North East cliff face? :whistle: :innocent: :no:
Okay, but what did they do with the immense volumes of extra drool?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:55 PM

the Lake ... gentlemen ... you're forgetting the 'Lake' that used to be there in front of the sphinx ...

it all fits  ...

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:37 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 13 May 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

the Lake ... gentlemen ... you're forgetting the 'Lake' that used to be there in front of the sphinx ...

it all fits  ...

You mean to say that the AE drank and bathed in drool???

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 13 May 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

You mean to say that the AE drank and bathed in drool???

That's holy and divine drool to you ... do not raise the displeasure of the gods ... they find your lack of faith a source of annoyance ...

it is fermented drool if you must know :yes:

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:35 PM

View PostHarte, on 12 May 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

It's pretty much a certainty that hieroglyphic writing developed right there in Egypt.

Ancient examples of early proto-writing there have been found on wood and ivory inventory tags made in predynastic times to label tax payments/tribute booty.

These early forms can be seen evolving over time into the earlier hieroglyphic forms.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:11 PM

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I can't speak to specifically Egyptian proto-writing, but there is evidence of (at times almost contemporary) proto-writing in proto-Elamite and several objects found in Eastern Europe (at least one or two have had threads here, and you may wish to look those up if you're interested -- keyword would be Vinca or Vincha).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

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Denise Schmandt-Besserat, Professor at the University of Texas at Austin, explains as follows the reasons why it is now held that writing spread from Mesopotamia to Egypt. Mesopotamia provides data that illustrates the step by step evolution of data processing from 8000 B.C. to the present. Clay counters of many shapes - tokens - were used to count goods in early agricultural communities from 8000 to 3000 B.C.. When the Mesopotamian script written on clay tablets appeared, coinciding with the rise of the state, about 3200 B.C., it visibly evolved from the token system. Tokens and writing had an identical function. Both served strictly for accounting the same types of goods, namely small cattle, cereals, oil, textiles, etc. The written signs were traced in the shape of tokens, bearing the same markings. The signs were organized using the same order as the previous tokens. Apparently, about 3100 B.C., the Mesopotamian state administration required that the names of the individuals, that either received or gave the goods stipulated, be entered on the accounting tables. These personal names could not easily be written logographically without the risk of overburdening the system. In order to solve the problem, the accountants resorted to writing individuals' names phonetically. This brought writing to a new course that, in the course of centuries or even millennia, developed into the cuneiform syllabaries (1 sign = 1 syllable) used by the Babylonians and Assyrians.

Thus, Mesopotamia is different from Egypt, where writing seems to appear suddenly, in that an uninterrupted sequence of data in Mesopotamia illustrates how accounting developed, requiring more and more sophisticated devices to deal with larger amounts of data with greater precision. Because Egypt provides yet no indication of any antecedents to writing, it was logical to assume that phonetic writing leap-frogged from Mesopotamnia to Egypt about 3100 B.C.. The borrowing was supported by the fact that the Egyptian rebus principle was identical to that of Mesopotamia and therefore seemed to be connected. Furthermore, there is evidence for a strong Mesopotamian influence in Egypt in the late fourth millennium B.C.. This is attested by the presence of typical Mesopotamian features of various nature. For example, a certain style of monumental architecture, the use of cylinder seals, specific decorative patterns featuring intertwined fantastic animals, and even the actual representation of the Mesopotamian Priest-king displayed with his unique status symbols. Because the reverse is not true, namely there is no trace of an Egyptian presence in Mesopotamia at that time, all seems to point to a flow of ideas from Mesopotamia to Egypt.
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The glyphs themselves originated in Egypt, but the idea and style of composition came from Mesopotamia, which used a radically different form of characters (of course.)

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:34 AM

View Postjaylemurph, on 13 May 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

I can't speak to specifically Egyptian proto-writing, but there is evidence of (at times almost contemporary) proto-writing in proto-Elamite and several objects found in Eastern Europe (at least one or two have had threads here, and you may wish to look those up if you're interested -- keyword would be Vinca or Vincha).

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Im aware of Vinča script. But thats different continent. Btw there is earlier script in China.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:47 AM

@Harte

1. Why should I believe Larkin Mitchell/Denise Schmandt Besserat and not others Egyptologists? He didnt provide evidence what so ever.

2. From your site "Because Egypt provides yet no indication of any antecedents to writing, it was logical to assume that phonetic writing leap-frogged from Mesopotamnia to Egypt about 3100 B.C.. "
It wasnt logical at all. Again this wanna be famous Larkin Mitchell/Denise Schmandt-Besserat stressed out that that in Egypt there is no indication of any antecedents to writing. So he/she assume and conclude that phonetic writing came from Sumeria.

This is hilarious. On what basis? Because Sumerians,Akkadians, Assyrians came to Egypt. Egyptians came to Sumer too. Did Sumerian cuneiform influenced Indus valley script? I mean I see similarites, dont you?

3.Denise Schmandt-Besserat doesnt know that Sumeria influenced Egypt, culturaly, a lot more then she mentioned. Making me think that she doesnt know much about it.
I can give different explaination "why" then Denise. Sort as everyone trough history came to China. and not other way around. Except Ming voyages and similar. To me message is clear. You came to us- We are boss.

4. Tell me Harte, do you realy see similarites between Sumeria cuneiform and Egyptian hieroglyphs? Use common sense and logic to answer all this questions.

btw Denise just believe in this story. Same as Buddhists believe that they were once Platypus, Octopus and Giraffe.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:59 AM

Harte if so, what do you think, whats origin of mummies in Egypt? :w00t: America or Lybia? I mean there are Mummies in America.

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