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#31    Kowalski

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:11 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

So much energy is being spent on wanting to continue barbarity, the reasons do not matter, barbarity is barbarity.

Those who favor it are on the other side of the coin these men are.

Wonder if there are better ways to help those who went missing.

All I can think is having every home in an area searched. Privacy concerns will be summoned but maybe it is a good idea to have someone look through every home.

In either case meting out barabric solutions won't help anyone, it won't help the victims, it won't help the missing, it is selfish and cruel.

Obviously you've never been raped...

The type of people who rape or tie up three young women in this type of manner are animals and should have their appendages cut off.
These girls will have to live with the memories of what they had to go through. No matter how much professional help they get, it won't make the memories go away.

Edited by Kowalski, 07 May 2013 - 07:17 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:16 PM

View PostKowalski, on 07 May 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Obviously you've never been raped...

Obviously some would rather discuss fellow posters instead of issues and ideas. Guess there is no helping that.

Edit: just saw your edit. No humans are animals, this is very much a human issue.

Dehumanizing others will not help the victims of other humans. This has nothing to do with animals. Animals would not do this. Animals deserve more respect.

The legal system is in place to handle these men, we need not waste all our energy on them in this matter. That is my view.

Sociological studies have revealed that after a crime most people would rather focus on punishing the criminal than on helping the victim. Definitely see this in action, all the time. Regardless, the victims are the most important aspect here, our time, energy, and prayers should be devoted to them.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 07 May 2013 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:26 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

Dehumanizing others will not help the victims of other humans.

Violent psychopaths lack some human properties. They need to be classified differently.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

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Dehumanizing others will not help the victims of other humans. This has nothing to do with animals. Animals would not do this. Animals deserve more respect.

Child molesters are not human, they are trash.  Same with rapists.  They are below any animal and don't deserve the oxygen they waste.  There is no rehabilitating a child molester or rapist.  Best solution?  Erase them.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:32 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 07 May 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Violent psychopaths lack some human properties. They need to be classified differently.

Labeling those who are sick with a label is not the best course of action to progress as a society on mental health issues

There is a category of humans with psychopathy (DSM no longer has that listed but does have ASPD) but they are humans with psychopathy.

This applies for other sicknesses and disorders, physical ones as well. Children with diseases want to be labeled as humans, not by their disease.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

IF they're caught in time, some treatments may help. These guys weren't caught in time. They need to be dealt with. There is no helping them.

Bringing child diseases into this is ridiculous.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:47 PM

Well, just wanted to interject, I understand your opinion and it only adds to the issues our society faces. It is not helpful in this specific matter.

That was also a comparison that needed to be made in regards to the dehumanization of others, the tendency to do so to one group, however merited, leads to the same effect happening to others just because we disagree with them, or because they have an illness we do no understand, leading to dehumanization in cases when it is clearly not merited. Dehumanizing others is never merited.

We just need to do away with dehumanization for good...

...and focus on the victims for now.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 07 May 2013 - 07:53 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

We just need to do away with dehumanization for good...

...and focus on the victims for now.

The rapist kidnappers have had ten years of no one focusing on them. I think it's about time.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:57 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

Sociological studies have revealed that after a crime most people would rather focus on punishing the criminal than on helping the victim. Definitely see this in action, all the time. Regardless, the victims are the most important aspect here, our time, energy, and prayers should be devoted to them.

I'll give you the point about not calling them animals because it's an affront to animals!

However, sometimes as citizens it's all the rest of us can do is call for harsher punishment to the criminals rather than being in a place to help the victims. First most of us don't know the girls in the case or have any real way of helping them heal except prayers, thoughts,well wishes or wanting to see the filth that did this punished to the fullest extent of the law!

You must be young (and I mean this as no offense) because some of us are a little older and have watched friends and family who have been victims of sexual assault or abuse be told that they are throw away and soiled or that they deserved what happened because they didn't follow the rules and allowed themselves to be victims. I am SO glad that mentality is changing. What isn't changing is the sentence toward offenders! They are getting harsher sentences but it still isn't enough. Sure they didn't murder anyone. But I'll tell you something that you maybe don't know, a victim of rapes life is over as it was known from the moment they are raped, it's no longer and never will be the same ever again. Even if they get help and by the grace of whatever are able to put their lives back together it's never the same life. They are a different as if they have died and another person has taken their place. It's something that you never get over, a person might learn to live with it but all it takes is a smell, a sound, a situation and it all comes back. You want others to have sympathy the only sympathy I have is that I don't want them tortured, other than that you are barking up the wrong tree!

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:00 PM

the women had been tied up in the house where they were discovered, and that they had been there since they disappeared.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:02 PM

View PostCuriousLittleOne, on 07 May 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

the women had been tied up in the house where they were discovered, and that they had been there since they disappeared.



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How very human of them.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:05 PM

IM interested in seeing the layout of this place, like the fritzel dungeon




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18.58 (13.58) The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that a daughter of Ariel Castro was the last person to see Gina DeJesus alive in 2004.

18.04 (13.04) Ariel Catsro played two gigs as a bass player with the band Grupo Fuego, who posted this message on Facebook:

We are really happy, relieved, and shocked at the same time for all that has transpired in Cleveland in the past day. May God bless Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight, and relatives involved in this crazy nightmare. We hope they can continue with their lives and put all this behind.

At the same time, the main suspect in custody has been a local musician for many years and has performed with several bands as a bass guitar player. For some reason we don't understand, he decided to list our band as an employer on his Facebook page. To set the record straight, he is not a member of Grupo Fuego, and in our 14 year span as a band, he performed as a sub twice in the year 2008, once in August, and once in November of that year.


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Edited by CuriousLittleOne, 07 May 2013 - 08:13 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:16 PM

Quite apart from the challenges of building a cellar or strongroom that was both sound-proof and escape-proof, the logistics of keeping people fed, watered and guarded would be considerable. Indeed, it is perhaps surprising that nobody even noticed extra groceries and household trash coming and going from the house, given that the owner, Ariel Castro, appears to have lived there alone.
"If you are holding hostages, you have to set up a routine or pattern in terms of guards, logistics, and food," said Leslie Edwards, a hostage specialist with British firm Compass Risk Management, who has dealt with more than 100 different kidnap cases worldwide.
Not all barriers have to be physical, however. With younger, more vulnerable abduction victims, threats of violence and other psychological intimidation tactics could ensure that they would never dare escape. Such was the case with Natascha Kampusch, the Austrian schoolgirl who was abducted at the age of ten and held for more than eight years by Wolfgang Priklopil in the cellar of his home in Strasshof, outside Vienna.
As she grew older she was given the run of both his house and garden, and was even allowed to go out with him at times, once taking a ski-ing trip. However, she later told investigators that he had regularly beaten her up, and threatened to kill her if she ever tried to raise the alarm




15.30 (10.30) Another wrinkle to this case is that there was a fourth missing girl in the area - Ashley Summers. Ashley disappeared from the same vicinity in July 2007 aged 14. Police investigated her disappearance as a possible link to the Berry and DeJesus cases. Her fate is unknown - and it is not suggested the Castros are involved in her disappearance.


one thing that puzzles me is why are there no images of michelle???

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostMabon, on 07 May 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

I'll give you the point about not calling them animals because it's an affront to animals!

However, sometimes as citizens it's all the rest of us can do is call for harsher punishment to the criminals rather than being in a place to help the victims. First most of us don't know the girls in the case or have any real way of helping them heal except prayers, thoughts,well wishes or wanting to see the filth that did this punished to the fullest extent of the law!

You must be young (and I mean this as no offense) because some of us are a little older and have watched friends and family who have been victims of sexual assault or abuse be told that they are throw away and soiled or that they deserved what happened because they didn't follow the rules and allowed themselves to be victims. I am SO glad that mentality is changing. What isn't changing is the sentence toward offenders! They are getting harsher sentences but it still isn't enough. Sure they didn't murder anyone. But I'll tell you something that you maybe don't know, a victim of rapes life is over as it was known from the moment they are raped, it's no longer and never will be the same ever again. Even if they get help and by the grace of whatever are able to put their lives back together it's never the same life. They are a different as if they have died and another person has taken their place. It's something that you never get over, a person might learn to live with it but all it takes is a smell, a sound, a situation and it all comes back. You want others to have sympathy the only sympathy I have is that I don't want them tortured, other than that you are barking up the wrong tree!

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Most criminologists will tell you, child molesters and rapists are SO sick, they are unable to be rehabilitated. Rapists and child molesters don't stop unless they are DEAD or in prison.
I really feel for these poor girls. My god, what hell they must have gone through... :no:
I hope him and those feral siblings of his die a horrible and painful death. What they did is just beyond comprehension....


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:48 PM

I have just seen this on the news in the UK and I haven't had chills and goosebumps listening to the news before...ever, but her phone call to the police, I've been kidnapped for ten years and now I'm free...wow





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