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#76    Myles

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostxFelix, on 14 May 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

I agree with that idea. Give them a way to earn their right to stay, but you can't just say fck it GET OUT.
I'm even for the idea of having them allowed only under temporary work visas in which they agree to pay taxes and only upon reaching a certain tax paid amount are they eligible for citizenship.

The issue with the way that politicians are wanting to do this is that they're again attempting to make it a long and demanding process costing too much. Simplify the process.

Solution: All those who are here illegally, but are working, non violent offenders can come and apply for temporary visa. Once you reach 5,000USD(just an example) Taxes paid you become eligible for citizenship. You may only become a citizen if you remain a non-violent offender the entire duration of your stay within the country, and at any time if you do become a violent offender you surrender your citizenship and right to residence.

The visa can be set to expire within 30 days of failure to be gainfully employed.


Just saying, as opposed to saying GET OUT, we should be saying EARN IT..


I wouldn't limit it to "violent" crimes.    I think any illegal activity (except speeding tickets and the like) should be a ticket out.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:58 PM

View PostMyles, on 14 May 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

I wouldn't limit it to "violent" crimes. I think any illegal activity (except speeding tickets and the like) should be a ticket out.

I agree.
I think anything involving drugs or gangs, committing burglary/stealing (like armed robbery), or illegal possession of a firearm, things like that should be instant ticket out. Also, if they engage in identity theft, that should be a instant ticket out.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:10 PM

How about Felony offenses in general(except moving violations).

Gotta have some give with misdemeanors because everyone at some point or another has committed one..

My posts consist of my opinions, beliefs, and experiences, feel free to disagree in a respectful manner.

I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

So long as we respect each other's beliefs, we won't have a single problem.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:18 PM

View PostxFelix, on 14 May 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

How about Felony offenses in general(except moving violations).

Gotta have some give with misdemeanors because everyone at some point or another has committed one..

Absolutely! No one is perfect.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostxFelix, on 14 May 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

How about Felony offenses in general(except moving violations).

Gotta have some give with misdemeanors because everyone at some point or another has committed one..
I disagree.   Everyone should be on their best behavior during this "probation" period.   If their best behavior is theft, assault and battery or vandalism (common misdemeaners), then it doesn't make their future too bright.   At my place of employment, every new hire signs the agreement that states that the first 90 days is a trial period.   If they don't perform well, we let them go.  We let about 1/5 new hires go.   If they don't work well during their trial, there is no reason to expect that they will be a good long term option.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:41 PM

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Gang Of Eight Says ‘Trust Us, This Bill Will Pay For Itself’

The very idea that anyone in the current administration would assume he or she automatically has the public’s trust simply because they hold a government office is ludicrous, to say the least. Nevertheless, the Gang of Eight say their immigration reform bill won’t add a single penny to the U.S. deficit and they expect you to believe it because, well, because they said so, that’s why.
In the wake of The Heritage Foundation’s May 6 report that the immigration reform bill, as it stands now, will create a deficit of $6.3 trillion, the Gang of Eight offered a substitute amendment that would increase the implementation funding by an additional $900 million, increasing the Trust Fund to $7.5 billion.
“Our watchword here is to have this bill pay for itself. In other words, we do not want it to incur any costs to the taxpayer, the Treasury or anybody else. That will be a balance. It will be the costs of administering the E-Verify program and the exit-entry visa program, the costs of strengthening the border and the costs of just administering the new immigrants who will be coming here,” Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), the lead sponsor of the legislation, told colleagues during the Judiciary Committee’s markup.
There are only two problems with Schumer’s statement that the bill will pay for itself, the first being the Trust Fund itself. The bulk of the now $7.5 billion to fund the Trust Fund will be transferred from the U.S. Treasury Department General Fund, and 67 percent of the money in the General Fund comes from taxes – paid by legal U.S. citizens.
Since the U.S. is already some $17 trillion in debt and the clock doesn’t appear to be slowing down, it’s possible that Schumer considers another $7.5 billion expenditure just a drop in the bucket, therefore not really worth mentioning, but the average American knows if we already owe $17 trillion bucks, at best we’re merely robbing Peter to pay Paul, and that’s putting it mildly. In short, any way you look at it, we’re adding to the deficit and legal American citizens will have to pay for it.
But the second problem is even more alarming, and that’s the Heritage Foundation’s report, compiled by Robert Rector and Jason Richwine, Ph.D., titled, “The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer.” According to this report:
“If amnesty were enacted tomorrow, current unlawful immigrants (along with their minor children and dependent parents) would subsequently receive around $9.4 trillion in government benefits over the span of a lifetime. The lifetime taxes paid by the amnesty recipients would come to $3.1 trillion. The total fiscal deficit (total benefits received minus taxes paid) would equal $6.3 trillion. (All figures are in constant 2010 dollars.)”
Now, why should we believe the Heritage Foundation’s outrageous claims over The Gang of Eight’s? Because Robert Rector and Jason Richwine actually back it up with statistics and analysis, they’re not just assuming you’re going to trust them. So let’s break it down…

The Heritage Foundation report first defines the various government services available to U.S. citizens:
Direct benefits: These include Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and workers’ compensation.
Means-tested welfare benefits: There are over 80 of these programs which, at a cost of nearly $900 billion per year, provide cash, food, housing, medical, and other services to roughly 100 million low-income Americans. Major programs include Medicaid, food stamps, the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit, public housing, Supplemental Security Income, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.
Public education: At a cost of $12,300 per pupil per year, these services are largely free or heavily subsidized for low-income parents.
Population-based services: Police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services, as the National Academy of Sciences determined in its study of the fiscal costs of immigration, generally have to expand as new immigrants enter a community; someone has to bear the cost of that expansion.
According to the Heritage report, “The cost of these governmental services is far larger than many people imagine. For example, in 2010, the average U.S. household received $31,584 in government benefits and services in these four categories.”
Rector and Richwine explain that the governmental system is highly distributive, thus, well-educated households tend to be net tax contributors:
“For example, in 2010, in the whole U.S. population, households with college-educated heads, on average, received $24,839 in government benefits while paying $54,089 in taxes. The average college-educated household thus generated a fiscal surplus of $29,250 that government used to finance benefits for other households.”
On the flip side, households with less education tend to be net tax consumers:
“The benefits they receive exceed the taxes they pay. These households generate a “fiscal deficit” that must be financed by taxes from other households or by government borrowing. For example, in 2010, in the U.S. population as a whole, households headed by persons without a high school degree, on average, received $46,582 in government benefits while paying only $11,469 in taxes. This generated an average fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $35,113.”
Rector and Richwine believe that the high deficits of poorly educated households are significant in the amnesty debate because the typical illegal immigrant has only a 10th-grade education. Fifty-percent of illegal immigrant households are headed by someone with less than a high school education, and only 25 percent are lead by someone with a high school diploma.
Currently, illegal immigrants don’t have access to means-tested welfare, Social Security, or Medicare, but this doesn’t mean they’re not costing tax payers money. Children in these households receive a heavily subsidized public education. Many have U.S.-born children who are already eligible for the full range of government services. And illegal aliens living in communities use the roads, the schools, and the fire and police services.
In 2010, then, the average illegal household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying only $10,334 in taxes, generating a deficit of approximately $14,387 per household – which is covered by legal, tax-paying U.S. citizens. Amnesty would give these illegal households access to the full range of public services, including Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. “The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”
Now, the Gang of Eight would have us believe that once these illegals get on the Pathway to Citizenship they’re going to be able to get better jobs and pay more taxes and perform miracles for the American economy. But we’ve already discussed their lack of education. They may very well be able to get a better rate of pay simply because of their legal status. But the current 11.5 million illegal immigrants are now, and always will be, net tax consumers, as will most of their children.
Currently, all illegal households combined create an annual deficit of approximately $54.5 billion. During the 13-year interim phase before they’re granted amnesty, that deficit will likely take a small drop to around $43.4 billion as they get better paying jobs.
But it’s the end of that 13-year waiting period where things take a drastic turn for the worse. At the end of the interim phase, “former unlawful immigrant households would become fully eligible for means-tested welfare and health care benefits under the Affordable Care Act. The aggregate annual deficit would soar to around $106 billion.”
Now, let’s do the real math. If the typical illegal alien is 34 years old, after the 13-year waiting period he’ll be eligible for the full range of government services for approximately 50 years. The average adult illegal immigrant would receive $592,000 more in government benefits over the course of his remaining lifetime than he would pay in taxes.
“Over a lifetime, the former unlawful immigrants together would receive $9.4 trillion in government benefits and services and pay $3.1 trillion in taxes. They would generate a lifetime fiscal deficit (total benefits minus total taxes) of $6.3 trillion. (All figures are in constant 2010 dollars.) This should be considered a minimum estimate. It probably understates real future costs because it undercounts the number of unlawful immigrants and dependents who will actually receive amnesty and underestimates significantly the future growth in welfare and medical benefits.”
Now, who are you going to believe? Will you believe the Gang of Eight’s claim that the amnesty bill will pay for itself because, well, because that’s their story and they’re sticking to it? Or will you believe Rober Rector and Jason Richwine, Ph.D. of the Heritage Foundation when they say the bill will create an additional $6.3 trillion in deficit spending because they back it up with statistics and analysis?

Taken from http://www.infowars....pay-for-itself/


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:54 PM

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Obamacare Loophole Provides Incentive For Employers To Hire Illegal Aliens Over US Citizens


A loophole in President Obama’s healthcare plan makes it very attractive for US employers to hire illegal immigrants on the Pathway to Citizenship instead of hiring legal US citizens. And if it’s not fixed before the bill passes, millions of jobs across America will be filled by illegal aliens.
According to the immigration reform bill, any illegal immigrant who’s been in the U.S. since on or before December 31, 2011, may apply for provisional status. Assuming he meets all of the legal requirements along the way, within 13 years he may be granted lawful permanent resident status.
During that 13-year time frame the immigrant must be employed by a U.S. employer and must be able to provide proof of employment.
Under Obamacare, employers with more than 50 employees are required to either provide healthcare benefits or pay a $3,000 fine every time one of their workers has to subscribe to Obamacare’s insurance exchange subsidies.
However – and here’s the catch – during that 13-year interim period, the immigrant is not eligible for any federal benefits, which includes Obamacare. So the employer doesn’t have to provide healthcare benefits because the illegal immigrant couldn’t apply for Obamacare subsidies if he wanted to.

How does this affect the average American? Obviously, employers will save money when they hire an illegal because they won’t have to provide health insurance. Scarier still, they can actually afford to offer higher wages to illegals so they can hire them in place of legal American citizens.
Don’t worry, though. Sen. John McCain, (R-Ariz.) a member of the Gang of Eight, is on it. McCain believes the issue will be resolved during the amendment process. “I hope so. We are having lots of conversations,” McCain said. “I think it is something we can work out.”


Taken from http://www.infowars....er-us-citizens/

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:16 AM

View PostKowalski, on 24 May 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:


infowars? Seriously?!

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The very idea that anyone in the current administration would assume he or she automatically has the public’s trust simply because they hold a government office is ludicrous, to say the least

But in fact, that's not what they said.

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How does this affect the average American? Obviously, employers will save money when they hire an illegal because they won’t have to provide health insurance.

inforwars appears to no understand that this is illegal.

Edited by ninjadude, 25 May 2013 - 02:18 AM.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

View Postninjadude, on 25 May 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

infowars? Seriously?!



But in fact, that's not what they said.



inforwars appears to no understand that this is illegal.

Obviously you don't understand the "loophole" their talking about.

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Under Obamacare, employers with more than 50 employees are required to either provide healthcare benefits or pay a $3,000 fine every time one of their workers has to subscribe to Obamacare’s insurance exchange subsidies.
However – and here’s the catch – during that 13-year interim period, the immigrant is not eligible for any federal benefits, which includes Obamacare. So the employer doesn’t have to provide healthcare benefits because the illegal immigrant couldn’t apply for Obamacare subsidies if he wanted to.

How does this affect the average American? Obviously, employers will save money when they hire an illegal because they won’t have to provide health insurance. Scarier still, they can actually afford to offer higher wages to illegals so they can hire them in place of legal American citizens.

It's also on the Blaze:




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It often seems that when government tries to solve one problem, it creates 10 more.

A perfect example of this is today’s “Gang of 8″ senators working to fix our nation’s broken immigration system — but first, they have to work on fixing the last big law they passed: Obamacare.

Unbeknownst to many, the Obamacare law includes an unintended advantage for newly legalized immigrants. In short, the law incentivizes employers to hire immigrants over U.S. citizens as newly legalized citizens are ineligible for Obamacare subsidies. Employers who are required to pay a $3,000 fine for every full-time worker who subscribes to Obamacare’s new insurance exchange subsidies now have a clear incentive to hire the immigrant.

Investor’s Business Daily also points out that because immigrants granted provisional legal status under the Gang of 8 bill would be excluded from Obamacare subsidies for at least a decade, “the potential cost savings to an employer from hiring a legalized immigrant could continue for years.”



“I think that is an issue, and I think that it needs to be addressed,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., recently told Roll Call. According to McCain, the issue is likely to be fixed with a strategic amendment or two. “We are having lots of conversations,” he added. “I think it is something we can work out.”


Taken from:http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/05/23/gang-of-8-needs-to-fix-massive-obamacare-loophole-with-immigration-bill/


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 01:54 PM

View Postninjadude, on 25 May 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

infowars? Seriously?!



But in fact, that's not what they said.



inforwars appears to no understand that this is illegal.

Indeed.

Infowars, started by Alex Jones, and the Blaze, started by Glenn Beck, are not going to have accurate and unbiased information.

These guys are known for conspiracy theories and hate speech.

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In January 2011, in protest at what they saw as inappropriate references to the Holocaust and to Nazis by Beck (and by Roger Ailes of Fox News), four hundred rabbis signed an open letter in paid advertisement in The Wall Street Journal. The ad was paid for by Jewish Funds for Justice, which had previously called for Beck's firing.

The JFFJ have claimed on their website that Beck seems "to draw his material straight from the anti-Semitic forgery, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion"

http://en.wikipedia....nds_for_Justice

As most know the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are an anti-Semitic hoax that Hitler himself used to stir up hate against the Jews.

Why others would use either of these organizations will definitely arouse suspicions.

The credibility of both of those are pretty much shot.

Oddly enough the OP of this thread was based on a report by a now discredited source, someone who advocated eugenics, something else Hitler agreed with.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 25 May 2013 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 25 May 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Indeed.

Infowars, started by Alex Jones, and the Blaze, started by Glenn Beck, are not going to have accurate and unbiased information.

These guys are known for conspiracy theories and hate speech.



http://en.wikipedia....nds_for_Justice

As most know the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are an anti-Semitic hoax that Hitler himself used to stir up hate against the Jews.

Why others would use either of these organizations will definitely arouse suspicions.

The credibility of both of those are pretty much shot.

Oddly enough the OP of this thread was based on a report by a now discredited source, someone who advocated eugenics, something else Hitler agreed with.

Yes by all means, attack the source of this information as racists, haters, and conspiracy theorists. Don't bother looking at the numbers and math or the data.
Numbers don't change. Math is math.

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As politicians rush to grant effective amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, there’s one aspect of the “debate” over the issue that receives almost no attention from members of either party: the demonstrably deleterious effect illegal immigration has on the employment and wage levels of low-skilled Americans, particularly blacks.
In 2008, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights examined the issue, conducting a hearing at which experts from across the political spectrum testified. As might be expected, there was some disagreement as to the precise magnitude of the impact of illegal immigration on black employment. But despite the ideological diversity on the panels, the witnesses were unanimous that illegal immigration has an adverse impact on black employment, reducing job opportunities and depressing wages — especially for black men.
The reason illegal immigration hurts blacks is quite basic. Blacks, particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately male and also disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both groups compete with one another in the low-skill labor market (and the competition is most fierce in some of the very industries in which blacks historically have been highly concentrated). Blacks frequently lose that competition, crowded out by illegal immigrants who, for various reasons, are preferred by many employers. As Professor Vernon Briggs of Cornell’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations noted, it’s not because low-skilled Americans — regardless of race — are unwilling to work, it’s that they’re unwilling to work at the cut-rate wages (and often substandard conditions) offered to illegal immigrants — a cohort highly unlikely to complain to the EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage and Hour Division of the Department of Labor.
The impact of illegal immigration on the employment and wage levels of low-skilled workers is especially pronounced in today’s stagnant economy, even with a reduced influx of illegal immigrants. In 2007, the unemployment rate for blacks without a high-school diploma was 12.0 percent. By 2011 that rate had more than doubled to 24.6 percent. Obviously, the supply of low-skilled workers far exceeds the demand. This bodes ill for all such workers, but particularly black males, who, according to evidence adduced at the hearing, are significantly disfavored by employers in certain sectors of the economy.
In a letter sent last week to President Obama, congressional leadership, and the head of the Congressional Black Caucus, my colleague Abigail Thernstrom and I noted the negative consequences of illegal immigration on wage levels. For example, a study done by an economist for the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta estimated that “as a result of the growth in the share of undocumented workers, the annual earnings of the average documented worker in Georgia in 2007 were 2.9 percent ($980) lower than they were in 2000. . . . Annual earnings for the average documented worker in the leisure and hospitality sector in 2007 were 9.1 percent ($1,520) lower than they were in 2000.”
Again, the evidence before the U.S.Commission on Civil Rights shows that while the negative impact on black employment and wage levels was much more pronounced, illegal immigration hurts all low-skilled American workers. It’s peculiar, however, that those who can usually be counted on to highlight any disparity between blacks and whites — whatever the reason and no matter how slight the disparity – have said not a word about the effect of illegal immigration on blacks.

Taken from http://www.nationalr...-peter-kirsanow


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Of the estimated 11 to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States, seven to eight million are thought to be holding a job.1 Rather than enforce immigration laws and encourage them to return home, President Obama and eight U.S. Senators have proposed legislation that would provide work authorization and legal status to illegal immigrants. It would also increase legal immigration further. Most research indicates that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants have no more than a high school education. President Obama, and the so called "gang of eight", seems to believe that the kinds of jobs done by such workers are plentiful. However, data from the fourth quarter of 2012 show that the employment picture is bleak for less-educated native-born Americans, who are the most likely to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs.

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Among the findings:
  • In the fourth quarter of 2012, the standard unemployment rate (referred to as U-3) for U.S.-born adults who have not completed high school was 18.7 percent.
  • Using the broader measure of unemployment (referred to as U-6), which includes those who want to work but have not looked recently, the rate for U.S.-born adults who have not completed high school was 30.8 percent.
  • The U-3 unemployment rate for U.S.-born workers who have only a high school education and no additional schooling was 9.4 percent in the fourth quarter of 2012. Using the U-6 measure, the unemployment rate was 17.3 percent.
  • All of the above figures are much worse for less-educated adults under the age of 30.
  • The total number of U.S.-born working-age adults (18 to 65) not working was 50 million in the fourth quarter of 2012. This is up almost 8.3 million compared to the fourth quarter of 2007, when the recession began.
  • If we consider all American citizens (U.S.-born and naturalized), the number of working-age adults not holding a job was 53.7 million.
  • More than half (26.9 million) of working-age American citizens not holding a job have no education beyond high school. This is a huge pool of potential less-skilled workers.
  • The above figures for less-educated citizens not working do not include the 3.2 million adults forced to work part-time, nor do they include the 7.1 million teenagers (16 and 17) not working. They also do not include the 142,000 less-educated U.S. citizens over age 65 who are actively looking for a job.

Taken from http://www.cis.org/a...ted-americans#1

So with this information, let's look at the numbers again:

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Rector and Richwine explain that the governmental system is highly distributive, thus, well-educated households tend to be net tax contributors:
“For example, in 2010, in the whole U.S. population, households with college-educated heads, on average, received $24,839 in government benefits while paying $54,089 in taxes. The average college-educated household thus generated a fiscal surplus of $29,250 that government used to finance benefits for other households.”
On the flip side, households with less education tend to be net tax consumers:
“The benefits they receive exceed the taxes they pay. These households generate a “fiscal deficit” that must be financed by taxes from other households or by government borrowing. For example, in 2010, in the U.S. population as a whole, households headed by persons without a high school degree, on average, received $46,582 in government benefits while paying only $11,469 in taxes. This generated an average fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $35,113.”
Rector and Richwine believe that the high deficits of poorly educated households are significant in the amnesty debate because the typical illegal immigrant has only a 10th-grade education. Fifty-percent of illegal immigrant households are headed by someone with less than a high school education, and only 25 percent are lead by someone with a high school diploma.
Currently, illegal immigrants don’t have access to means-tested welfare, Social Security, or Medicare, but this doesn’t mean they’re not costing tax payers money. Children in these households receive a heavily subsidized public education. Many have U.S.-born children who are already eligible for the full range of government services. And illegal aliens living in communities use the roads, the schools, and the fire and police services.
In 2010, then, the average illegal household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying only $10,334 in taxes, generating a deficit of approximately $14,387 per household – which is covered by legal, tax-paying U.S. citizens. Amnesty would give these illegal households access to the full range of public services, including Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. “The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

It is not attacking the source and ignoring the math but discounting the math since math not done by specialist in their proper fields will be greeted with heavy doses of skepticism.

The article from the Center for Immigration Studies no where indicates their numbers are from a university. Their studies are done in house. Their footnotes even reference their own Center for Immigration Studies.

The Center for Immigration Studies clearly is biased since on of their goals is to "shrink the immigration population". [link]

The Center for Immigration Studies also has a very concerning background with ties to white supremacists and a "eugenics foundation". The same belief that Hitler espoused, the same one espoused by the author of the study in the OP.

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In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA -- and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with -- were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China's one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.

FAIR, where Mr. Krikorian once worked, is run by Dan Stein and shares advisers and personnel with CIS and other members of the Tanton nexus. As our Jason Riley noted in a March 15 op-ed, "By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than

$1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics."

http://online.wsj.co...1539433,00.html

The National Review is quite conservative and thus biased. It is also not an academic source. The author of that article presented above is by Peter Kirsanow who has a degree in law and not math...why would should we accept his numbers? He was appointed by Bush to a high position but only gained it via a lawsuit. He is an attorney not a statistician. He teaches law and is not in any disciplined field dealing with math or social studies.

The other author of that National Review article is Carissa Mulder. She neither is a specialist but a journalist. A dedicated academic specializes in one subject alone with no bias in one direction or the other. A journalist essays on many topics, all of hers seem biased: In addition the National Review article in question lists several figures but does not source them properly. Who are they from? One lists they are from the Federal Reserve in Atlanta but there is no link to the study. Does it even exist?

If it is not an unbiased academic source from a university do not expect everyone to accept it. Things with .edu at the end or articles that properly source a university would be better received. Not everyone is going to accept biased sources, this should not be surprising.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 25 May 2013 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:50 PM

Illegal immigrant and mother of seven, Marita Nelson, receives $240 in food stamps, medications, $700 in Social Security and housing allowance. She entered the US by swimming the Rio Grande. Now she’s on a crusade to help other illegals sign up for their free stuff.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:40 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 31 May 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Illegal immigrant and mother of seven, Marita Nelson, receives $240 in food stamps, medications, $700 in Social Security and housing allowance. She entered the US by swimming the Rio Grande. Now she’s on a crusade to help other illegals sign up for their free stuff.

http://investmentwat...y-for-20-years/

I thought I was going to vomit while watching that video....








You know, there ARE people out there who DO need government assistance, but these illegals are sucking our country dry! How about we help our vets, the elderly and infirm, and the poor who are here LEGALLY. Let's take care of our own problems, before we start helping others.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:52 PM

I know several people who have immigrated to this country, legally, and worked their rears off, not once asking for a government handout. And when people do what this woman did, (above video) it makes me very angry.
If illegal immigrants want to be here, they need to have a job, and pay taxes, just like everyone else does. I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with, is the illegals who want food stamps, SSI, and Medicaid and don't wanna work. That is not right.






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