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#31    Frank Merton

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:36 PM

What happens if it turns out that the order to do these selective audits came from Obama himself?


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostF3SS, on 12 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Frank, trust that you wouldn't be happy if you lived here and one year the IRS started targeting only Vietnamese people.

Or perhaps Jews?


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 12 May 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

What happens if it turns out that the order to do these selective audits came from Obama himself?
Then that would pretty much justify that he's a slimy snake who uses thug tactics and would show the hypocrisy of his mantra of fairness. Legally, I'm not sure of which laws or amendments address these things.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:58 PM

Thanks redhen, I was just about to post a similar article about targeting against pro-Israel groups too.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

Well I would say nothing should happen; he is the President and has to govern.  The States now is too tied up in partisanship that things that need doing are not getting done (although matters have improved since last fall).  It should be investigated and legislation passed to make similar things in future more difficult or at lease easier to bring to light, but politics will happen.  The lesson of the political gains to be had from the destruction of the President was too well learned by both parties: the lesson they didn't learn was the harm such things do to the country.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:16 PM

That sounds good but just letting him get away with it and saying watch out next time is exactly why government overreach keeps happening. Accountability needs to be a common practice and not just something we should expect.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 12 May 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

If they were obeying the law and got their exemption taken away regardless, then sue.  If on the other hand the IRS was right and they weren't obeying the law, then what right have they to complain?  I don't see why Congress should be involved unless its just politics.
Nail on the head.

The illegal scrutiny applied was "just politics" on the part of the Obama Administration.

It crippled some of these groups, though who knows what difference that would have made?

In any case, if you (and the American people) are okay with the White House using the IRS to target opposition groups this way, then I hope you agree with it when a Republican President does it to liberal organizations at some point in the future.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

The WH was not involved in the Tea Party Tax scandal. It was certain managers who made that decision all their own.

Others can contest that all they want but there is no need for an argument on our side.

We believe that instead of the conspiracy theory.

Others can choose to believe conspiracy theories and even try to argue and change our minds or try to convince us to believe their delusions.

No contest, we are not competing, and will continue with progress with or without your help. Believe what you will, no on is saying you can't.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:07 PM

Especially given the damning evidence we have (and this is only to this point in time, which is early on, pre-investigation even.)

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:16 PM

Agreed, let us wait before making any conclusions until the investigation is complete.

If accuracy and not rabidity is our goal, that is.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:38 PM

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Conspiracy theories aside, there’s no evidence that the Obama White House had anything to do with Internal Revenue Service bureaucrats targeting tea party-type organizations for special tax scrutiny.

That’s despite new information that senior IRS officials knew agents were targeting such groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by the Associated Press that seems to contradict public statements by the IRS commissioner.

Still, as Time political columnist Joe Klein writes this weekend, “the absence of scandal is not the presence of competence.”

“Yet again, we have an example of Democrats simply not managing the government properly and with discipline,” Klein writes. “This is just poisonous at a time of skepticism about the efficacy of government…. [Obama’s] unwillingness to concentrate – and I mean concentrate obsessively – on making sure that government is managed efficiently will be part of his legacy.”

So far, the White House response seems a bit anemic, a bit hands-off. On Saturday, press secretary Jay Carney said the President believes government agencies should be staffed with "the very best public servants with the highest levels of integrity.”

The President “is concerned that the conduct of a small number of Internal Revenue Service employees may have fallen short of that standard,” Carney said.

Given what’s been revealed in the inspector general’s report, such statements likely will not quell the criticism.

“It is absolutely chilling that the IRS was singling out conservative groups for extra review,” US Sen. Susan Collins ® of Maine said on CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday.

“The president needs to make crystal clear that this is totally unacceptable inAmerica,” she said. “I think that it's very disappointing that the president hasn't personally condemned this and spoken out.”

The following January, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, "political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement," the IG’s report says.

About 300 applications were initially flagged for closer scrutiny, 75 of which were chosen based on names including those key words. In the end, according to the IRS, none were denied the tax-exempt status they had applied for, although some withdrew their applications.

Each year the IRS reviews as many as 60,000 tax-exempt applications from groups ranging from charities to labor unions, reports Reuters.

Such organizations can collect money from anonymous donors and spend it on advertising. But in order to get and keep their tax-exempt status, they can’t endorse a political candidate or a political party. Coinciding in part with the surge of Tea Party enthusiasm, the number of groups seeking tax-exempt status more than doubled from 2010 to 2012, to more than 3,400.

But despite the increased workload and the apparent effort to identify groups whose political activities crossed the tax-exempt line, focusing on “tea party” and “patriot” was bound to create a partisan firestorm.

Now, groups across the political spectrum suspect that they too might have been picked for special IRS scrutiny. BuzzFeed reports that one “hawkishly pro-Israel” group believes that it was targeted by the IRS over its opposition to President Obama’s Israel policy.

Congressional Republicans promise a series of investigative hearings.

“While I’m glad that the IRS has apologized for this misconduct, that is simply not enough,” US Sen. Orrin Hatch ® of Utah said Saturday. “We need to know more. We need to know who was behind this unlawful activity, when it began, who found out about it, when they found out, and what they did or did not do to correct it.”

As Lauren French and Kelsey Snell of Politico write, “the IRS doesn’t have many friends on a good day,” and now it seems to be “an agency under siege, facing its worst public relations debacle in years.”

That lack of friends in Congress is bipartisan.

We shouldn’t rush to judgment,” says Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D) of Montana. “But targeting groups based solely on their political views is not only inappropriate, it is intolerable.”

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 12 May 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

What happens if it turns out that the order to do these selective audits came from Obama himself?
Some people will go "well he obviously had his reasons", others will see it as 'proof' that the Tea Party is up to no good if the President has to go to such lengths to deal with it, some will say "OI! that's illegal and terribly naughty" and be called "rabble-rousers" or "trouble-makers" by the first groups and the majority will go on watching Celebrity Strictly Come Diving on Ice.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:23 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 12 May 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

Some people will go "well he obviously had his reasons", others will see it as 'proof' that the Tea Party is up to no good if the President has to go to such lengths to deal with it, some will say "OI! that's illegal and terribly naughty" and be called "rabble-rousers" or "trouble-makers" by the first groups and the majority will go on watching Celebrity Strictly Come Diving on Ice.

Most likely...


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:39 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 12 May 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

If they were obeying the law and got their exemption taken away regardless, then sue.  If on the other hand the IRS was right and they weren't obeying the law, then what right have they to complain?  I don't see why Congress should be involved unless its just politics.

One thing you need to understand is that the tax code of the US has become so complex and confused that these b******* can do just about anything they want and get away with it.  It is very Kafkaesque and you can't sue them so you have to take it.  It doesn't change because it represents power and control and an endless amount of graft to congress.  Lobbyists get special exemptions, the congressman gets a hand-out or "donation" and the company makes billions.

Edited by Merc14, 13 May 2013 - 01:39 AM.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:41 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 12 May 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

Agreed, let us wait before making any conclusions until the investigation is complete.

If accuracy and not rabidity is our goal, that is.

They admit it, what else do you need?  The only question is how many others were abused and who laughed it off.  How come you haven't visited the Benghazi threads you were so adamantly defending the democrats on?

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".




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