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Khufu's Grave Goods


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#16    Djedi

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:22 PM

View PostJon101, on 11 May 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:


Given the length of the access routes to the chambers in the G.P. isn't it unlikely that any 'robbers' official or otherwise would have removed even the sarcophagus lid and a fragment of the sarcophagus along with all the grave goods.

I accept that Kufu built the pyramid, and I think that perhaps he and his accoutrements were removed to another location, possibly hundreds of years later, and being pragmatic that later state may have decided to recycle any valuable goods rather than intern them for a second time - but there should be some trace in those tortuous passages.
Where is the sarcophagus lid?, I met a Professor at Oxford who was adamant it went down with a ship in the med. back in victorian times, but I don't remember much more than that.

IMHO, the missing sarcophagus lid isn't that hard to explain, like many tombs the GP wasn't only visited by tomb robbers but also by stone robbers. Some of the granite porticulis blocks that sealed the KC from the Great Gallery have been found outside the pyramid, the lid was also removed and probably re-used or recarved for other purposes (or smashed when the pyramid was robbed). Same with many granite casing stones from Khafre's pyramid.

Given the fact that of all pyramids the GP is/was the most famous and attracted the most attention both in ancient and modern times, it isn't all that surprising that it was totally emptied.

The ship that sunk in the med. back in victorian times had the sarcophagus of Menkaure on board.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostJon101, on 11 May 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:


Where is the sarcophagus lid?, I met a Professor at Oxford who was adamant it went down with a ship in the med. back in victorian times, but I don't remember much more than that.
That might have been Menkaure's sarcophagus the Professor was thinking about?;

"Vyse made only one reference to the loss of the sarcophagus. “It was embarked at Alexandria,” he wrote,“in the autumn of 1838 on board a merchant-ship, which was supposed to have been lost off Carthagena, as she was never heard of after her departure from Leghorn on the 12th October in that year, and some parts of the wreck were picked up near the former port.” The ship was the Beatrice...

http://egyptologynew...arcophagus.html


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:03 PM

View PostJon101, on 11 May 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

My wife is a forensic technician and has suggested to me that simply going over the floor spaces of the G.P. with cellotape, (paying close attention to the gaps between the floor slabs), would give a wealth of examinable and categorical dust/ or fragments.
Does anyone know if this has been done?, has forensic archaeology been practised in Giza?.

My wife specialises in Forensic botany and entomology, (she cross references within a wide network of peers to enable herself to do this), and is adamant that small fragments of gold leaf or wood could be found or possibly biologically identifiable material.
Given the length of the access routes to the chambers in the G.P. isn't it unlikely that any 'robbers' official or otherwise would have removed even the sarcophagus lid and a fragment of the sarcophagus along with all the grave goods.

It's a crime against mankind that evidence is being ignored, destroyed, or left alone.  I agree
that the first thing that needs to be done is forensic analysis.  I believe though that a new kind
of forensics needs to be invented before it is applied to the great pyramids.  Essentially nothing
much changes except that modern surgical equipment is used in conjunction with normal forensic
procedures.

I'll wager in advance they don't find anything they expect to find and what exists will prove all the
assumptions wrong.  The theory hasn't stood up to the evidence already and wouldn't start being
consistent with it when real science is employed.

It's a wonder that there is no public outcry to answer these questions instead of writing ever more
books.

Men fear the pyramid, time fears man.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostDjedi, on 11 May 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

IMHO, the missing sarcophagus lid isn't that hard to explain, like many tombs the GP wasn't only visited by tomb robbers but also by stone robbers. Some of the granite porticulis blocks that sealed the KC from the Great Gallery have been found outside the pyramid, the lid was also removed and probably re-used or recarved for other purposes (or smashed when the pyramid was robbed). Same with many granite casing stones from Khafre's pyramid.

Given the fact that of all pyramids the GP is/was the most famous and attracted the most attention both in ancient and modern times, it isn't all that surprising that it was totally emptied.

The ship that sunk in the med. back in victorian times had the sarcophagus of Menkaure on board.

If the so called sarcophagus lid existed and was of similar dimensions as the lids on
other stone boxes of the era it would not have fit out of the entrance.  There has been
speculation that Al Mamuum's tunnel was actually made to fascilitate the removal of the
lid rather than to gain access to the pyramid.

Perhaps he wanted the lid out intact.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:20 AM

View Postcladking, on 11 May 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

If the so called sarcophagus lid existed and was of similar dimensions as the lids on
other stone boxes of the era it would not have fit out of the entrance.  There has been
speculation that Al Mamuum's tunnel was actually made to fascilitate the removal of the
lid rather than to gain access to the pyramid.

Perhaps he wanted the lid out intact.
Or maybe it was not a sarcophagus but a bath tub.
The bottom is made of granite which is rough and not even slightly dressed in any form or decorated.

The only other alternate i can think of currently is that it housed the actual sarcophagus and it was just an external protective covering.





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