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If God made us in his image, does God sin?

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#16    Etu Malku

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:45 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 13 May 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

How can we be sure the abrahamic his us not a devil?!??


How can we be sure the abrahamic god is not a devil?!??
Good point! The Gnostics believed that Yahweh was really the Demiurge and evil, that we cannot perceive the real god.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:45 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 13 May 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).
-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).
-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead
-In (2 Kings 10:18-27) God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Now . . . you tell me if this 'god' sins?

'God'? No God of mine would do the things you have stated. I would rather burn forever in hell away from such a tyrant, than spend one minute with such a being in 'heaven'.

The old testament God is often simply just the justification used by leaders at the time to commit atrocious acts and get the people to back them up. People who think these passages describe a real God, and not only that, but a  God who later on in the new testament is all about forgiveness and love- such people must be smoking some real good s*** in order to believe that.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostEinsteinium, on 13 May 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

'God'? No God of mine would do the things you have stated. I would rather burn forever in hell away from such a tyrant, than spend one minute with such a being in 'heaven'.

The old testament God is often simply just the justification used by leaders at the time to commit atrocious acts and get the people to back them up. People who think these passages describe a real God, and not only that, but a  God who later on in the new testament is all about forgiveness and love- such people must be smoking some real good s*** in order to believe that.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 13 May 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Heres how I understand it god made Adam and Eve and they were perfect, Then satan came down into the garden as a snake and Influenced Eve to eat from the fruit and that it would give her great knowledge, Eve ate from it and convinced Adam to also.  God saw  what they had done and then said your children will fall from perfection and through generations man became less perfect, and started to break the laws that god gave them, such as false worship, and murder, and it keeps going on and on.   Of course this is me summarizing it up quickly
Who created the fruit?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:12 PM

God is all-knowing by default.

Yet we, as humans, are all curious, and without the higher knowledge.

Who knows why.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:16 PM

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Who created the fruit?

Good question. Why would god tempt Adam and Eve with the tree of knowledge?God must have known they would eat of the fruit. What's the point of tempting them with something that tastes so good, and then when they eat the fruit wammo, they're kicked out into the cold? What kind of a god is this? Is not this kind of behavior sinful?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:24 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 13 May 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Good question. Why would god tempt Adam and Eve with the tree of knowledge?God must have known they would eat of the fruit. What's the point of tempting them with something that tastes so good, and then when they eat the fruit wammo, they're kicked out into the cold? What kind of a god is this? Is not this kind of behavior sinful?

Who do you choose as "God" ?


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:30 PM

He's the Boss and He's long past redemption,carry on sinning folks.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:13 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 13 May 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Good question. Why would god tempt Adam and Eve with the tree of knowledge?God must have known they would eat of the fruit. What's the point of tempting them with something that tastes so good, and then when they eat the fruit wammo, they're kicked out into the cold? What kind of a god is this? Is not this kind of behavior sinful?
It's even more bizarre than that . . .

God creates Adam & Eve, then he creates sin, has them sin, then sends his only son down to die for this sin that he created in the first place! That is a Psychopath :unsure:

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:02 AM

pallidin said:

Who do you choose as "God" ?
Maybe that's the point. If I'm a Jew or a Christian, I don't have a choice. I have to accept God's personality and behavior as what it is. If I question or don't like what this god has done, or if I don't agree with some of Gods rules, and I choose to disobey and sin, I guess I'm screwed. I'm condemned by my free will, which I suppose is God-given.

I suppose I can ask Jesus for forgiveness, but I don't understand that either. If God sets the rules that I must obey, and says so, how can I be forgiven for breaking the rules?

If I sin against God, then Jesus forgives my sin, how does this god deal with that?

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:08 AM

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:14 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 13 May 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).
-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).
-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead
-In (2 Kings 10:18-27) God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

Now . . . you tell me if this 'god' sins?


That's what i'm saying you can't believe the whole story in the bible..Maybe Some were truth but there is always lies in it...The Book of Bible was written by man not by god...

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:58 AM

Does anyone see the story of Adam & Eve & the garden as a metaphor or allegory? That's the only way the story makes sense to me. And maybe if we were made in his image, s/he was just as fallible as us at some point, maybe early in his genesis, so holds us with understanding, compassion & forgiveness. I guess I'm trying to say maybe he evolved, just as we do, but on an entirely different scale of time and space.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:50 AM

View PostBeany, on 14 May 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

Does anyone see the story of Adam & Eve & the garden as a metaphor or allegory? That's the only way the story makes sense to me. And maybe if we were made in his image, s/he was just as fallible as us at some point, maybe early in his genesis, so holds us with understanding, compassion & forgiveness. I guess I'm trying to say maybe he evolved, just as we do, but on an entirely different scale of time and space.
Indead my friend. The genisus story sounds awfully like other traditions usually oral that have tremendous symbolism. If you pay very close attention, you can see the transition from hunter gathers to agrigarian societies written in the history of judeo/Christian mythology.  To the Christians that know me, this may come as a surprise, but, in this context, the bible has a lot that it describes accurately....it just does it in story form. Cinderella was not some girl with wicked stepsisters... She is every woman in existence that was a late bloomer.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 12:07 PM

Actually in my tradition we call god by the name Nsambi.

We acknowledge him as the creator, the original..
But Nsambi has a negative aspect to him...

Lukankase is Nsambi's negative aspect. He did many wrongs and hurt many people in his negative aspect.

So in my personal case, yes even god is not perfect. He has emotion, which tends to cause problems.
As for actually being a "sinner", no.. God did not define sins against him(least for us he didn't), and how could he sin against himself?

Grab anything with your left hand, now savagely snatch it away with your right hand... Did you just steal from yourself?

Edited by xFelix, 14 May 2013 - 12:08 PM.

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