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#76    ninjadude

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:58 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 15 May 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

  The IRS has the ability to garnish your wages and if need be seize your assets and medical records are assets.

yes it does but medical records are NOT assets

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  With deductibles skyrocketing, you are only adding more people to the rolls of those that can't afford to pay.

really? have you purchased insurance thru an ACA exchange? I would be interested. You know that's not true.

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The ACA was designed to break people and make them dependent on the government.

you keep saying this. But it's simply not true. and you have zero proof of it.

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And once controlled, they can then come into even the bed room.  This is what government does.

yes we know. Republicans want to control your sex life. abortion, gay marriage, etc.

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The new law is vague.  The regulations cover thousands of pages.  

you do realize these two sentences are completely opposite.

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The odds are that they will be unintended consequences that will hurt millions of people

possibly there will be unintended consequences but we ALREADY know it;s helped millions of people

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:02 AM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 15 May 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

  Insurers are more and more beginning to cover “preventative” health care procedures to stave off possible future costs-- to help prevent Jane America from not monitoring her breast health through exams and mammograms because of the cost to her.

that's a good thing!

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I see insurers as eventually requiring us to keep up to date on certain tests, vaccines, etc to keep our  coverage.

again a good thing! but you can't be denied coverage.

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With the govt now taking on insuring more people under Obamacare,

the government is NOT insuring more people. There is no public option.

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you can bet your bottom dollar cost saving measures will have to be instituted.

of course, one of the whole points to the ACA is to save money. It is already doing so.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

View Postninjadude, on 16 May 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

yes it does but medical records are NOT assets
What can they be but assets?  They are tangible and they have value.  They can also be used as a weapon.  Therefore, they are assets.

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really? have you purchased insurance thru an ACA exchange? I would be interested. You know that's not true.
I guess you missed my little story in a previous thread.  I have a nurse friend that was complaining that her deductable had gone through the roof.  I found out that we both have the same insurance.  Most people have not realized that Obamacare has already kicked in for many.  I told her that our insurance had started to transition over this year so that they would be in compliance for next year.  The cost increase is reflective of compliance.  She got mad and retorted that it was the insurance companies doing it.  Technically, that is correct but they are being forced to comply with the new rules.  I didnít argue, Iíll let her figure it out.  I value her friendship greatly.

But before this, the deductable for me and my wife was $400 apiece.  Now, it has skyrocketed to $4000 for the both of us.  Iíve stopped going to the doctor because I canít afford it.  I usually went twice a year to get my cholesterol and other things checked.  But where labs were just $50 a visit, they are now $800 to $1000.  My wife needs asthma medicine.  Before, she could get a 3 month supply for $60-$70 and the deductable was waived.  There are two kinds of asthma medicine.  You have rescue and maintenance.  Our new plan is suppose to waive the deductable for maintenance drugs and then coverage is 65%.  Thatís great, however, we found out that Advair is not covered.  Advair is a maintenance drug and itís the only formulation that my wife doesnít have an adverse reaction to.  It costs like $260 for a 3 month supply, so we are now going through Canada for about $75.  Itís made by GlaxoSmithKline which is a British company.

So please, donít give me any of your crap or lies.  You are just parroting the party line.

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you keep saying this. But it's simply not true. and you have zero proof of it.
I gave you plenty of proof.  Obamacare was setup for single payer.  The system doesnít work any other way.  You can say that single payer has been taken out but the whole essence of the system runs as if it is part of it.  Obama is trying to do to the people the same thing that Reagan did to the Soviet Union.  We didnít like the single payer option so now he is going to punish us like he is trying to do with the sequester.

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yes we know. Republicans want to control your sex life. abortion, gay marriage, etc.
Thatís not coming into the bed room.  These are public issues.  What happens behind closed doors, Republicans could care less about.  They are not issues for the government to deal with.  I can prove that abortion and gay marriage can be Biblically supported and in turn I do support them.  Itís the Socialists that are trying to get into the bedroom by supporting these, instead of dealing with more important affairs of state, like debt, jobs, economy.  Entitlements and welfare are Socialist tactics to control your life.

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you do realize these two sentences are completely opposite.
Do you realize that they are not.  If they were, you would not need regulations written.  Why do you think Pelosi said ďwe have to vote for it before we can see whatís in itĒ?  The language of the bill is vague.

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possibly there will be unintended consequences but we ALREADY know it;s helped millions of people
Unintended consequences are almost always negative.  However many millions, itís helped (which I havenít seen evidence of), itís hurting 10s if not 100s of millions.  People that couldnít afford it before, still canít afford it.  This is the natural state of big government, to do more harm.  The best government is the one that does least.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:47 PM

View PostStartraveler, on 15 May 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

If you've got something sinister to point to, go ahead. Making things up and falling back on "for all I know it's really in there!" is tedious.
200 changes to the IRS code is pretty sinister.  The IRS is an enforcement and collection agency.  Why does the government feel it has to threaten the people?  Thatís telling you that it will go to any length to enforce compliance.  Is that legislation that the people want?  Or an agenda imposed upon us?

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Taxpayers who are required to pay a penalty but fail to do so will receive a notice from Internal Revenue Service (IRS) stating that they owe the penalty. If they still do not pay the penalty, the IRS can attempt to collect the funds by reducing the amount of their tax refund in the future. However, individuals who fail to pay the penalty will not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty for such failure. The Secretary cannot file notice of lien or file a levy on any property for a taxpayer who does not pay the penalty.
This is the text I was focusing on.  Iím guessing this is from SEC. 1411.(h).(3)?  In Title 26 (IRS Code). Sec 6334, basically states (English Translation):

ďThe IRS will not start garnishing your wages without giving you notice and an opportunity to make payment arrangements. But, unlike most other creditors, it does not have to first use you and get a judgment in order to start the garnishment process.

To start the process, the IRS must send you a written notice stating the amount you owe. The notice must itemize all of the charges (tax, penalties, and interest) and give you a date by which you must pay the balance in full.

If you don't comply with the demand for payment within the stated time, the IRS will then explore how it may most effectively force you to pay the tax. This may include seizing your assets, placing liens on your property, taking future refunds, and garnishing your wages.
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The interesting thing is that in 111-148, there is no amendment for the IRS code noted for this change.  There is the concept of abrogation which basically states that if you have conflicting rules, one document will supersede the other.  In this case, my guess is that the IRS Code is more authoritative.  Therefore, if it is not specifically stated to supersede the IRS Code from 11-148, then Title 26 maintains the actual wording.

Further, since both are in place, it would not take much to propose an amendment to reconcile both and remove the ďNOTĒ from Sec1411 or even notifying you.  This is an ugly mess we are getting involved in.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:53 PM

View Postninjadude, on 16 May 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

there I fixed that for you

How so? It was directly said they were targeted for political beliefs. Why do you think this whole scandle has been news worthy? Is it that you are just totaly ignorant to what has been going on?

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:38 AM

Hey Simbi, There is more to this than even you thought. The progressive crook in charge of tax exemption is now running Obamacare.

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.
Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today

http://abcnews.go.co...th-care-office/

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:02 AM

View PostMerc14, on 17 May 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

Hey Simbi, There is more to this than even you thought. The progressive crook in charge of tax exemption is now running Obamacare.

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.
Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today

http://abcnews.go.co...th-care-office/
Are expletives the only way to express myself on this? If not, do tell.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:14 AM

View PostF3SS, on 17 May 2013 - 01:02 AM, said:

Are expletives the only way to express myself on this? If not, do tell.

Vent, it will make you feel better.  The board xx's it out automatically so make it juicy.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:46 AM

View PostMerc14, on 17 May 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:



Vent, it will make you feel better.  The board xx's it out automatically so make it juicy.
Lol thanks. But now that I asked and you got me on the spot it'll just feel forced. There will be another time. I'm sure of that.






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