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#16    Mr.United_Nations

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

Felix have you been to Cuba?


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostCorp, on 16 May 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Obama has a long way to go before he reaches Casto levels. You speak of media censorship, yet Fox News spends all their time talking about how horrible Obama is. You talk about disarming the country but that's never going to happen and even the mildest of gun reforms are dead in the water. You talk about Obama being a socialist, which is a joke given that in any other Western nation he'd be viewed as a right wing politican. You talk about qualifications to be president when the GOP has never seriously tried to block Obama from running in elections.

All in all there's nothing to see here.Obama is no worst than Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc etc.
Just because his attempts fail does not mean that he does not make these attempts.
Did he attempt to strip us of assault weapons? YES
Did he attempt to reform the education system? YES
Did he attempt to reform the healthcare system? YES
Did he attempt to monitor and censor the AP? YES
Did he attempt to bring his justice to internal dissent? YES
Did he attempt to make a law that makes him have the power of declaring war, life and death, and spying on the citizens? YES
Failure to do the above mentioned things, doesn't mean HE is less alike someone who did pass them... It just means their are people who did want to put in the energy to stop him, for whatever reasoning they may have had.

Oh another thing, just because the other party did not want to stop him, does not mean he qualifies.
When I joined the army, I had to surrender my records, ALL of them, before I was even given a contract to sign.
The constitution has a certain requirement for presidency, and Obama still has not met this requirement by refusing to show his birth certificate.(Actually he spent upwards of a million dollars to hide it.)

I speak of censorship when I see the AP ready to fight the legal standing of their being monitored... It's the press, you can't monitor them for any reason. Obama did though... How does monitoring of the press mean control over them? Who in their right mind would go to the press knowing that they are being monitored and if you speak of the wrong thing you will just be another statistic to Obama's whistleblower campaign? Anyone with any news from the inside must not be allowed to speak of it..

That IS censorship, as well as psychological warfare on american citizens.


View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 16 May 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Castro was sponsored by the Soviets remember and help Cuba financially, Castro used words too influenced people of Cuba to hate America by the Soviets.

You can't really compare a a sponsored leader to Obama or Bush, Nixon etc.

Turkey vs Cuba would of better.
http://www.opensecre...8&cid=N00009638
http://www.opensecre...12&id=N00009638

Big corporations bought his presidency, and the government basically bought his second term...

So, yes I can compare one leader being bought off.. to another leader being bought off lol

Edited by xFelix, 17 May 2013 - 01:58 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostxFelix, on 17 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Just because his attempts fail does not mean that he does not make these attempts.
Did he attempt to strip us of assault weapons? YES
Did he attempt to reform the education system? YES
Did he attempt to reform the healthcare system? YES
Did he attempt to monitor and censor the AP? YES
Did he attempt to bring his justice to internal dissent? YES
Did he attempt to make a law that makes him have the power of declaring war, life and death, and spying on the citizens? YES
Failure to do the above mentioned things, doesn't mean HE is less alike someone who did pass them... It just means their are people who did want to put in the energy to stop him, for whatever reasoning they may have had.

I think one thing you missed out was how the Dear Leader seems to have introduced a law, which seems to have worked very succesfully, that said that anyone who did not agree with him had to thrown away their sense of proportion or any kind of awareness of what political systems such as Socialism or Communism are actually like. Honestly, it's quite hilarious, it really is. Yes, of course, the Dear Leader has muzzled the freedom of the Press. The poor old Murdoch empire,all those pro-Republican papers and TV channels, the world watched in horror as Obama's Brownshirts stomped in, beat the senior executives and the presenters about, and threw them out into the street after closing them down. And now of course the state-run media is just full of stories about how the kids strew Dear Leader's path with flowers, and how construction is proceeding on the Triumphal Arch that he's building to celebrate his instalment as Perpetual Dictator. And it was shocking (but, of course, not reported in the media) about the abolition of the Republican Party and how its leaders were incarcerated in his network of prison camps, wasn't it.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

View PostxFelix, on 17 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Just because his attempts fail does not mean that he does not make these attempts.
Did he attempt to strip us of assault weapons? YES
Did he attempt to reform the education system? YES
Did he attempt to reform the healthcare system? YES
Did he attempt to monitor and censor the AP? YES
Did he attempt to bring his justice to internal dissent? YES
Did he attempt to make a law that makes him have the power of declaring war, life and death, and spying on the citizens? YES
Failure to do the above mentioned things, doesn't mean HE is less alike someone who did pass them... It just means their are people who did want to put in the energy to stop him, for whatever reasoning they may have had.

Oh another thing, just because the other party did not want to stop him, does not mean he qualifies.
When I joined the army, I had to surrender my records, ALL of them, before I was even given a contract to sign.
The constitution has a certain requirement for presidency, and Obama still has not met this requirement by refusing to show his birth certificate.(Actually he spent upwards of a million dollars to hide it.)

I speak of censorship when I see the AP ready to fight the legal standing of their being monitored... It's the press, you can't monitor them for any reason. Obama did though... How does monitoring of the press mean control over them? Who in their right mind would go to the press knowing that they are being monitored and if you speak of the wrong thing you will just be another statistic to Obama's whistleblower campaign? Anyone with any news from the inside must not be allowed to speak of it..

That IS censorship, as well as psychological warfare on american citizens.



http://www.opensecre...8&cid=N00009638
http://www.opensecre...12&id=N00009638

Big corporations bought his presidency, and the government basically bought his second term...

So, yes I can compare one leader being bought off.. to another leader being bought off lol

Well to be fair the US education system is in desperate need of reform, and so is our healthcare system so I would actually be more upset with the President if he just did nothing with those issues. People may disagree with what he did/proposed to do, but that is our system. An idea is proposed, debated, and then voted on etc. We are way far away from Obama dictating reforms with no questions asked, congress has to do its job, and the supreme court has to do its job. The president is not a dictator for crying out loud. Presidents historically have almost always wanted more power, because having more power would make their job easier. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get congress/supreme court/your own cabinet members to agree? Personally I would hate to have that job, and on top of that having the american people and the press watching and criticizing your every move? I can see why the president takes as many vacations as possible, jeesh.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:13 PM

View PostxFelix, on 17 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Just because his attempts fail does not mean that he does not make these attempts.
Did he attempt to strip us of assault weapons? YES
Did he attempt to reform the education system? YES
Did he attempt to reform the healthcare system? YES
Did he attempt to monitor and censor the AP? YES
Did he attempt to bring his justice to internal dissent? YES
Did he attempt to make a law that makes him have the power of declaring war, life and death, and spying on the citizens? YES
Failure to do the above mentioned things, doesn't mean HE is less alike someone who did pass them... It just means their are people who did want to put in the energy to stop him, for whatever reasoning they may have had.

Oh another thing, just because the other party did not want to stop him, does not mean he qualifies.
When I joined the army, I had to surrender my records, ALL of them, before I was even given a contract to sign.
The constitution has a certain requirement for presidency, and Obama still has not met this requirement by refusing to show his birth certificate.(Actually he spent upwards of a million dollars to hide it.)

I speak of censorship when I see the AP ready to fight the legal standing of their being monitored... It's the press, you can't monitor them for any reason. Obama did though... How does monitoring of the press mean control over them? Who in their right mind would go to the press knowing that they are being monitored and if you speak of the wrong thing you will just be another statistic to Obama's whistleblower campaign? Anyone with any news from the inside must not be allowed to speak of it..

That IS censorship, as well as psychological warfare on american citizens.

1) Clinton also put in an assault weapon ban. Was he just like Castro too? And you'll also note that the ban was only on certain weapons. The America people would have still been armed to the teeth even if it had gone through.
2) Since when is reforming the education system a bad thing? From what I hear it could use some work.
3) Since when is reforming healthcare a bad thing? The US system badly needs it.
4) Is his dealings with AP a concern and should be brought to light? Yes. Is it blanket media censorship? No.
5) Given how much outright and deeply personal hatred is thrown Obama's way he's doing a horrible job at surpressing internal dissent. It's like he's not even trying...
6) I thought Bush did that? Does that means Bush is also an evil socialist?

As for documents Obama has put out his birth certificate...some time ago. He even put out two versions of it because the crazy birthers won't shut up about it. And while the AP monitoring and the targetting of whistleblowers is troubling and should be investigated, making hyperbolic claims like you have only distract from these legimate concerns and do more harm than good.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:40 PM

View PostxFelix, on 17 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:


Oh another thing, just because the other party did not want to stop him, does not mean he qualifies.
When I joined the army, I had to surrender my records, ALL of them, before I was even given a contract to sign.
The constitution has a certain requirement for presidency, and Obama still has not met this requirement by refusing to show his birth certificate.(Actually he spent upwards of a million dollars to hide it.)


Actually he released two forms of his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii confirmed their authenticity. What more do you expect? Would you ask the same regarding Bush? Clinton? Reagan? Joining the army is not the same as becoming president and the president did surrender his records to the government to confirm his eligibility to run for president. Or are you buying into the foolish BS circulating online that he has all these 'sealed' records that nobody can ever see? This claim is concisely debunked here: http://www.factcheck...sealed-records/


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:53 PM

Obama has indeed its known


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostCorp, on 17 May 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

1) Clinton also put in an assault weapon ban. Was he just like Castro too? And you'll also note that the ban was only on certain weapons. The America people would have still been armed to the teeth even if it had gone through.
2) Since when is reforming the education system a bad thing? From what I hear it could use some work.
3) Since when is reforming healthcare a bad thing? The US system badly needs it.
4) Is his dealings with AP a concern and should be brought to light? Yes. Is it blanket media censorship? No.
5) Given how much outright and deeply personal hatred is thrown Obama's way he's doing a horrible job at surpressing internal dissent. It's like he's not even trying...
6) I thought Bush did that? Does that means Bush is also an evil socialist?

As for documents Obama has put out his birth certificate...some time ago. He even put out two versions of it because the crazy birthers won't shut up about it. And while the AP monitoring and the targetting of whistleblowers is troubling and should be investigated, making hyperbolic claims like you have only distract from these legimate concerns and do more harm than good.
1) Having stupid little pistols, bolt-action rifles, and the like vs the military's full automatic machine guns and assault rifles.. Armed to the teeth but none of the armament would serve any better than bows and arrows.
2) Reforming the education system is a good thing... Until you make it so that the schools that need the most help get the least...
3) Nobody with half a brain likes Obamacare, if not for it being forced on them... For the mere fact that he proposes a panel of unknown people control how the entire system is managed.
4) Did I ever once say it was blanket censorship? I'll wait while you find the part where I said it was... I said it was censorship, and even insinuated at the malicious intent behind it.
5) Horrible job at suppressing dissent, but he has convicted more whistleblowers than all the other presidents combined?
6) I stand corrected, he didn't make the law... But he knows of it, and instead of restoring our constitutional rights.. He chooses to abuse that law.

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I did not at any point say Obama was a Dictator, or a Communist... I just said he's got some shocking similarities to a known oppressor, I then pointed them out.


View PostEinsteinium, on 17 May 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Well to be fair the US education system is in desperate need of reform, and so is our healthcare system so I would actually be more upset with the President if he just did nothing with those issues. People may disagree with what he did/proposed to do, but that is our system. An idea is proposed, debated, and then voted on etc. We are way far away from Obama dictating reforms with no questions asked, congress has to do its job, and the supreme court has to do its job. The president is not a dictator for crying out loud. Presidents historically have almost always wanted more power, because having more power would make their job easier. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get congress/supreme court/your own cabinet members to agree? Personally I would hate to have that job, and on top of that having the american people and the press watching and criticizing your every move? I can see why the president takes as many vacations as possible, jeesh.

I agree that president's have always wanted more power, Obama might not be a dictator, but his having more power hasn't resulted in him doing a better job. All it's done is given him more toys to play with in his mind, and in the mind of some.. Well he's just abusing his power. Yea I can see why he takes so many vacations too.. But my perspective is different than yours.


View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 17 May 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

I think one thing you missed out was how the Dear Leader seems to have introduced a law, which seems to have worked very succesfully, that said that anyone who did not agree with him had to thrown away their sense of proportion or any kind of awareness of what political systems such as Socialism or Communism are actually like. Honestly, it's quite hilarious, it really is. Yes, of course, the Dear Leader has muzzled the freedom of the Press. The poor old Murdoch empire,all those pro-Republican papers and TV channels, the world watched in horror as Obama's Brownshirts stomped in, beat the senior executives and the presenters about, and threw them out into the street after closing them down. And now of course the state-run media is just full of stories about how the kids strew Dear Leader's path with flowers, and how construction is proceeding on the Triumphal Arch that he's building to celebrate his instalment as Perpetual Dictator. And it was shocking (but, of course, not reported in the media) about the abolition of the Republican Party and how its leaders were incarcerated in his network of prison camps, wasn't it.

What in the world are you even talking about? We're here having a normal debate where I say one person's politics have shocking similarities to another's... And you're off on the moon talking about flying ninja monkeys and what not?!

I guess when I made a comparison, you decided to interpret what I was saying to mean that the president is communist..

My posts consist of my opinions, beliefs, and experiences, feel free to disagree in a respectful manner.

I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 05:24 AM

wow thanks for posting this. i bet he will try  to get congress to change the 22st Amendment and run for a thrid time.
and yet millions of these followers would say  this is bull but its all true


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:44 AM

View PostxFelix, on 17 May 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:


What in the world are you even talking about? We're here having a normal debate where I say one person's politics have shocking similarities to another's... And you're off on the moon talking about flying ninja monkeys and what not?!

I guess when I made a comparison, you decided to interpret what I was saying to mean that the president is communist..
it's called satire, which is the only way that this argument can possibly really be responded to.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:45 AM

View Postcoolguy, on 18 May 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

wow thanks for posting this. i bet he will try  to get congress to change the 22st Amendment and run for a thrid time.
and yet millions of these followers would say  this is bull but its all true
See what I mean? Do you have any grounds at all for this suggestion, or is just the kind of thing that he'd do because he's mad & evil enough?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

Rhuairidh, we have already established that he has made significant pushes against the constitution before, but in most cases he was stopped, right?

Ok then you should know humans are creatures of habit, and it's actually quite possible for him to make an attempt against the constitution again.
How is one person's opinion of what he might move towards doing satire? Oh because your opinion doesn't coincide with his?

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 02:56 PM

SO Felix have you been to Cuba?


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 04:14 PM

Yes, various times. Actually... I am Cuban-American...

My posts consist of my opinions, beliefs, and experiences, feel free to disagree in a respectful manner.

I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 05:34 PM

Playa Varadero es muy bonita! :tsu:





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