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"A Defense of Armageddon"


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#1    AlasBabylon

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:07 AM

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In the 19th century... 1857... a speech [sermon] was given to congressmen at the
US Capitol in DC. The name of that speech was "A Defense of Armageddon"...
and that is exactly what it was. The speech said the USA has a divine destiny
to turn the entire planet democratic... the speech advocated the USA use war
and revolution to destroy the monarchies of Europe.  The speech especially
targeted the Russian monarchy.

60 years later, many European monarchies were destroyed by war [WW1] and revolution
[Feb/Oct democratic/bolshevik revolutions that destroyed the Russian monarchy.]

The speech further said that once the nations of the world were made democratic
via war and revolution, the USA would act as their big brother... THIS is exactly
the nation-destroying/nation-building foreign policy the USA follows to this day.



btw... the speech [sermon] is on the net if you want to read it.

http://books.google....summary_r&cad=0



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:10 AM

Yea -- people back then sometimes thought like that.  Fortunately not so many see things like that today.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:19 AM

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The speech [sermon] says the USA is the "fifth kingdom"
[ie, the Kingdom of God on earth.]


Here are quotes  - remember this was 1857.


"[USA]... destined in its great mission to annihilate the last vestige of monarchy from the nations
of the earth... "

"... the mission of this great fifth nationality was the destruction of State and Church union,
as well as the utter and ultimate extermination of ec­clesiastical and political despotism from
the face of the earth. "

" The truth is, the fifth great commonwealth that the God of heaven was to "set up" was so utterly
repugnant to monarchy, in all its forms and phases, that it should  destroy it from the face of the earth. "

" That the destruction of monarchy will be effected by military power."

"As this conflict puts a final end to all earthly monarchy, and as all political governments are either autocratic or democratic, and as the fifth government is to "Become a great mountain and fill the whole world," the conclusion is forced upon us that one of the grand missions of the providential Republic of America is the final overthrow of monarchy and the extension of the principles of popular freedom over the whole world."

"At the very time of the overthrow of Monarchy in the field, a revolutionary "fire breaks out in the land of Magog" and in the isles of the sea: the friends of freedom at home in Russia and Great Britain strike for liberty, and the work is done."



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:22 AM

Sounds like something a Victorian preacher might have said.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:22 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 May 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:


Yea -- people back then sometimes thought like that.  Fortunately not so many see things like that today.




I hope you're being ironic... this is EXACTLY the foreign policy the USA
has followed for at least a century... and is still following today...
toppling governments via war/revolution to usher in American-style democracy.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:24 AM

No I'm not being ironic.  I'm trying to point out how foolish such talk was and remains.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:28 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 May 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:


Sounds like something a Victorian preacher might have said.



The Bible says satan transforms himself into an angel of light to deceive.

You're being blinded by the religious/Biblical language/symbolism and not able
to see beyond that to the satanic evil that lurks beneath... this "preacher"
advocated the USA destroy CHRISTIAN monarchies to usher in American-style
SECULAR democracy!  


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:32 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 May 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:



No I'm not being ironic.  I'm trying to point out how foolish such talk was and remains.



Apparently you've missed the last decade... and the US-backed wars and revolutions
aimed at toppling governments and reshaping those nations into America's secular
democratic image.


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Edited by AlasBabylon, 17 May 2013 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

I think if anyone else wants to engage you, I will let them; otherwise you can have this thread to yourself.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:39 AM

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The 1857 speech [sermon] especially targeted Russia's Christian monarchy...
and advocated Russia's monarchy be destroyed via war and revolution and it was.

Here are quotes specific to Christian Tsarist Russia.


" These two great powers are the United States of America and the monarchy of Russia,
both extending the magnitude of their greatness; so that, in the present state of affairs,
a perfect coincidence of facts answers a perfect description of prophecy. We look to the
future for the finale of these startling wonders, to be fulfilled in a conflict that will
enlist all nations, stir the world with commotion, and drench the earth with blood. "

"Russia, then according to the Scriptures, is the headship or leading power around which
the multitudinous armies of allied monarchy shall be gathered together."

"We must look to Russia, then, as the colossal giant of reconstructed monarchy, embodying
the whole of autocracy in the last grand organization...."

"The three dogmas are here pronounced to be the spirits or doctrines of devils. All doctrines are
the doctrines of devils that are opposed by Divine revelation; but Absolutism, Church Supremacy,
and Divine right of kings, are opposed by the word of God; consequently, the three doctrines of
the "Triple Alliance" are the doctrines of devils..."

"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue "Armageddon." On that last
great battle-field, the doctrines of the Triple Alliance, with the hosts of their deluded defenders,
shall perish forever."



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:50 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 May 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:


I think if anyone else wants to engage you, I will let them; otherwise you can have this thread to yourself.




Most Americans are just as clueless... they think the world hates them
because of their "freedom"... HA !... the world hates them for attempting
to play God, for dictating, for fostering revolution, for wars of aggression
and for exporting their degenerate perverted "culture."


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:00 AM

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The 1857 speech says [pg 115] that the nations of the earth will be "under the counsel
and example of the United States", that the USA will be their "elder brother" who will
"instruct them in the principles of popular freedom."


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:07 AM

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Remember... this 1857 speech especially targeted the Russian Christian monarchy...
and advocated it be destroyed via war and revolution... 60 years later, Russia's
monarchy was destroyed by WW1 and the democratic and bolshevik revolutions.

Russian Orthodox Christians say that when God's Tsar was deposed [by the democrats]
and murdered [by the bolshevks] the One who had restrained global evil was removed
and the spirit of antichrist took over the planet.


In his WW1 war speech to US Congress [April 1917] US President Wilson praised the
democratic revolutionaries in Russia who had just deposed Russia's Tsar [Feb/March 1917.]

Wilson said the revolutionaries were America's "partners" - like the revolutionary "partners"
America has today around the world.

From Wilson's war speech came the famous phrase concerning the purpose of WW1:

"Make the world safe for democracy"

That is...  to make the world safe for antichrist secular humanism.


Here are quotes from Wilson's April 1917 War Speech:


" Does not every American feel that assurance has been added to our hope for the future peace
of the world by the wonderful and heartening things that have been happening within the last
few weeks in Russia? "

" Russian people have been added in all their naive majesty and might to the forces that are
fighting for freedom in the world, for justice, and for peace. Here is a fit partner for a league of honour. "

" The world must be made safe for democracy. "


http://wwi.lib.byu.e...age_to_Congress



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Edited by AlasBabylon, 17 May 2013 - 09:28 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostAlasBabylon, on 17 May 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Most Americans are just as clueless... they think the world hates them
because of their "freedom"... HA !... the world hates them for attempting
to play God, for dictating, for fostering revolution, for wars of aggression
and for exporting their degenerate perverted "culture."


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You actually seem to be saying - or at least implying - that the world would have been a better place today had Russia prevailed in that little struggle of the past few decades.  If that is how you feel then I think you have an odd sense of right, wrong and proportionality.

  We've cast the world, we've set the stage,
  for what could be, the darkest age...
“This is like playing poker with a guy who cheated you twice before. You know who does that, a moron.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

Isn't that about the same time frame that President Monroe served and issued the Monroe Doctrine?





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